Guillen Desconosidos

DaBear · 01-20-2013, 10:32 AM

According to Mac, "A stick by one of our own BOTLs here at CA, Andy Madera. This stick was never released and has hints of spice and chocolate. Been sitting on this for over three years."

Now lets get down to it.

Looks to be about a Coronita, ~5.5 x 40. The wrapper ain't exactly pretty, but the construction is great and it smells awesome.

Prelight draw has a slight barnyardiness to it(in a good way), with some sweetness and a spice I can't quite place. Almost licorice-esque, which is working for me, though I've never been a huge fan of licorice. Off to a good start before even lighting it.

The first puff greets me with hay and a light spice, which fades into a light sweetness with lots of earthier spices, cinnamon and cardamom are the two that come to mind. Very much so reminding me of a Tat Black Culebra, but not quite as sweet. The ash is a nice, slightly mottled light grey. As I proceed I get a touch of the chocolate Mac mentioned, but its very faint and like a high cacao content dark chocolate, 90%+. Maybe a tiny bit of the licorice I noticed in the prelight draw is hanging around. So far I'm loving the complexity. Took one puff too many and got an instant harshness, but it calmed down shortly after, I'll just have to keep myself from puffing so much, I'm likin the stick so I keep wanting more. Burn is just a touch off, I would normally fix it as I'm very anal about my burn line, but I'm gonna try to let this one sort itself out.

As the first third rounds out, more of the same with a building earthiness and weakening sweetness. Typing while the ash is like the Leaning Tower of Pisa does not bode well for my keyboard, so I take preemptive measures and ash it for the first time. The burn line has more or less sorted itself out. The spice has almost made a complete departure around the halfway mark, all I'm getting is licorice, a touch of the chocolate, and earth. As the second third rounds out the chocolate pretty much entirely disappears and all I'm left with is licorice and earth. Not exactly a bad thing, I'm enjoying it, but not as wonderfully complex as the first third. The ash has gotten a bit flaky as well.

As I start the final third, the sweetness and chocolate makes a comeback as the licorice fades. I'm glad to see a bit more of the complexity back, not as complex as the first third, but definitely better than the second. The cinnamon is beginning to make a comeback too, which is great. It finishes with a bang in the cinnamon and chocolate departments, especially the latter. Great note to end on. I just wish I had brought my nubber with me today.

Final Burn Time: ~1 hour 40 minutes

Final Ratings:

Appearance/construction/prelight draw: 4.5/5(half a point taken just for aesthetics)

First Third: 5/5

Second Third: 3.5/5

Final Third: 4.5/5

Overall: 17.5/20
This stick started off with one of the best first thirds I've had from a cigar in awhile, better start than either the Boris or T110 I had recently in terms of complexity, I enjoyed all three greatly, but this bad boy takes the cake by edging the other two with how much more complex it was. It did struggle a bit toward the middle of the stick, but the flavors and complexity came back with a vengeance in the final third. My only complaint would be I feel it may have been just past its prime(6 months past at most, not much, but noticable), I imagine this would have scored at least a full point higher, mainly from the second third not losing so much. This stick was a total treat and a great way to start my day. Andy, if you were thinking about bringing these back, please do.

MarkinAZ · 01-20-2013, 11:00 AM

Very nice review and photo's Bear. Thank you! Sounds like Andy would have a winner on his hands should this vitola be produced and placed on the market...

CigarNut · 01-20-2013, 11:29 AM

Thanks for the fine review!

kelmac07 · 01-20-2013, 11:45 AM

Damn fine review Bear. Glad you enjoyed it brother.

AndyMadera · 01-21-2013, 10:08 PM

Hey Bear, Great review. I love seeing this because I often wonder how many of specific stuff is still out there and curious as to how they aged. I need to start keeping more stuff for myself haha!

Maybe Mac can help me out but I based on the review and comments I would think that was a "desconocido" meaning "the unknown" I made about 200 of them and they go spread around CA only. It is actually my favorite cigar we ever made. When it was younger that licorice was more like an unbuttered pop corn to me. I will make more of them some day for sure and CA will be the first to know.

Again, great review, I am glad you enjoyed it.

omowasu · 01-21-2013, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyMadera

Hey Bear, Great review. I love seeing this because I often wonder how many of specific stuff is still out there and curious as to how they aged. I need to start keeping more stuff for myself haha!

Maybe Mac can help me out but I based on the review and comments I would think that was a "desconocido" meaning "the unknown" I made about 200 of them and they go spread around CA only. It is actually my favorite cigar we ever made. When it was younger that licorice was more like an unbuttered pop corn to me. I will make more of them some day for sure and CA will be the first to know.

Again, great review, I am glad you enjoyed it.

Good stuff Andrew! I am one of many who enjoys the smaller RG sticks and Nic puros. Ill peruse the website and see what is available.

DaBear · 01-22-2013, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyMadera

Hey Bear, Great review. I love seeing this because I often wonder how many of specific stuff is still out there and curious as to how they aged. I need to start keeping more stuff for myself haha!

Maybe Mac can help me out but I based on the review and comments I would think that was a "desconocido" meaning "the unknown" I made about 200 of them and they go spread around CA only. It is actually my favorite cigar we ever made. When it was younger that licorice was more like an unbuttered pop corn to me. I will make more of them some day for sure and CA will be the first to know.

Again, great review, I am glad you enjoyed it.

Now that you mention it, popcorn does sort of match up with some of the flavors I got, but more like a kettle corn with the sweetness.

01-20-2013, 10:32 AM	#1
DaBear Have My Own Room Join Date: Sep 2010 First Name: Bear Location: Raleigh, NC(NC State) Posts: 2,010 Trading: (26)	Guillen Desconosidos According to Mac, "A stick by one of our own BOTLs here at CA, Andy Madera. This stick was never released and has hints of spice and chocolate. Been sitting on this for over three years." Now lets get down to it. Looks to be about a Coronita, ~5.5 x 40. The wrapper ain't exactly pretty, but the construction is great and it smells awesome. Prelight draw has a slight barnyardiness to it(in a good way), with some sweetness and a spice I can't quite place. Almost licorice-esque, which is working for me, though I've never been a huge fan of licorice. Off to a good start before even lighting it. The first puff greets me with hay and a light spice, which fades into a light sweetness with lots of earthier spices, cinnamon and cardamom are the two that come to mind. Very much so reminding me of a Tat Black Culebra, but not quite as sweet. The ash is a nice, slightly mottled light grey. As I proceed I get a touch of the chocolate Mac mentioned, but its very faint and like a high cacao content dark chocolate, 90%+. Maybe a tiny bit of the licorice I noticed in the prelight draw is hanging around. So far I'm loving the complexity. Took one puff too many and got an instant harshness, but it calmed down shortly after, I'll just have to keep myself from puffing so much, I'm likin the stick so I keep wanting more. Burn is just a touch off, I would normally fix it as I'm very anal about my burn line, but I'm gonna try to let this one sort itself out. As the first third rounds out, more of the same with a building earthiness and weakening sweetness. Typing while the ash is like the Leaning Tower of Pisa does not bode well for my keyboard, so I take preemptive measures and ash it for the first time. The burn line has more or less sorted itself out. The spice has almost made a complete departure around the halfway mark, all I'm getting is licorice, a touch of the chocolate, and earth. As the second third rounds out the chocolate pretty much entirely disappears and all I'm left with is licorice and earth. Not exactly a bad thing, I'm enjoying it, but not as wonderfully complex as the first third. The ash has gotten a bit flaky as well. As I start the final third, the sweetness and chocolate makes a comeback as the licorice fades. I'm glad to see a bit more of the complexity back, not as complex as the first third, but definitely better than the second. The cinnamon is beginning to make a comeback too, which is great. It finishes with a bang in the cinnamon and chocolate departments, especially the latter. Great note to end on. I just wish I had brought my nubber with me today. Final Burn Time: ~1 hour 40 minutes Final Ratings: Appearance/construction/prelight draw: 4.5/5(half a point taken just for aesthetics) First Third: 5/5 Second Third: 3.5/5 Final Third: 4.5/5 Overall: 17.5/20 This stick started off with one of the best first thirds I've had from a cigar in awhile, better start than either the Boris or T110 I had recently in terms of complexity, I enjoyed all three greatly, but this bad boy takes the cake by edging the other two with how much more complex it was. It did struggle a bit toward the middle of the stick, but the flavors and complexity came back with a vengeance in the final third. My only complaint would be I feel it may have been just past its prime(6 months past at most, not much, but noticable), I imagine this would have scored at least a full point higher, mainly from the second third not losing so much. This stick was a total treat and a great way to start my day. Andy, if you were thinking about bringing these back, please do.

01-20-2013, 11:00 AM	#2
MarkinAZ Formerly MarkinOR Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Sun City West, AZ Posts: 6,220 Trading: (40)	Re: Guillen Desconosidos Very nice review and photo's Bear. Thank you! Sounds like Andy would have a winner on his hands should this vitola be produced and placed on the market... __________________ "Don't worry, God will work out His plan for your life..." Psalm 138 8

01-20-2013, 11:29 AM	#3
CigarNut Fck Cancer! Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Michael Location: Clermont, Florida Posts: 18,038 Trading: (111*)	Re: Guillen Desconosidos Thanks for the fine review! __________________ Need Beads? Need Five Finger Bags? 2 of 3 Requirements for use of the CA Rolodex: 100 posts/ 60 day membership/ participation in trade (trader rating). New members can be added at any time.

01-20-2013, 11:45 AM	#4
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: Guillen Desconosidos Damn fine review Bear. Glad you enjoyed it brother. __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

01-21-2013, 10:08 PM	#5
AndyMadera Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: Ft Worth, Texas Posts: 530 Trading: (46)	Re: Guillen Desconosidos Hey Bear, Great review. I love seeing this because I often wonder how many of specific stuff is still out there and curious as to how they aged. I need to start keeping more stuff for myself haha! Maybe Mac can help me out but I based on the review and comments I would think that was a "desconocido" meaning "the unknown" I made about 200 of them and they go spread around CA only. It is actually my favorite cigar we ever made. When it was younger that licorice was more like an unbuttered pop corn to me. I will make more of them some day for sure and CA will be the first to know. Again, great review, I am glad you enjoyed it.