oh no! a dyed wrapper?

JJG · 09-20-2009, 10:33 AM

I'm disappointed. How common is this? I was smoking another one of these Adrian's cigars and I noticed when I wiped the wet end on a paper towel, it leaves a brown stain. I've never tried it before so maybe all cigars do this. I smoked a PAM64 later that night and it did the same thing. Do they use dyed wrappers too?

borndead1 · 09-20-2009, 10:45 AM

Don't worry, it's not shoe polish or anything.

Some cigar makers "enhance" their maduro wrappers. They use coffee, tea, or even a sort of "tobacco tea" made from boiling down stems and stalks and such.

icehog3 · 09-20-2009, 10:47 AM

As long as they don't start using pink dye.

rudeJARHEAD · 09-20-2009, 10:48 AM

Are you sure it is not tar? If a cigar is a little on the damp side I have been known to get a bitter tar residue on the cut end. There are manufacturers that artificialy color their maduro wrappers, but you can usually spot them by the overly dark wrappers.

JJG · 09-20-2009, 10:53 AM

I did the wipe thing pretty much right after I lit them so I don't know if they would have time to build up tar residue. Anyhow, I'm not going to worry about it too much, but until now I thought only cheaper cigars had dyed wrappers.

borndead1 · 09-20-2009, 11:06 AM

I smoked a Padron 80th that stained my fingers, and a Fuente Anejo that stained my fingers, and smoked pitch black cheapazz bundle cigars that didn't stain my fingers.

As long as it's not paint, shoe polish, crude oil or whatever, I will continue to smoke an occasional Mr. Hanky Cigar.

09-20-2009, 11:38 AM

i know RP edge madruo is dyed...will turn your dang lips brown...GROSS....im not a maduro guy anyway..i need me some corojo

SmokinApe · 09-20-2009, 12:19 PM

Do cigar makers dye candela cigars green?

bobarian · 09-20-2009, 12:30 PM

Dying of maduro wrappers is not an indication of wrapper or cigar quality. Wrappers are dyed to provide consistency and usually used with a naturally fermented wrapper. Heat fermented wrappers are more consistent in color as they are cooked. Natural maduro fermentation can lead to inconsistency. Sometimes this results in blotchy wrappers or differences in color from one batch to another.

Staining on the end of a cigar is not an indication of dye. Dye would only show on the outside(wrapper). Staining on the end is usually a buildup of tar and can occur with any combination of wrapper, binder and filler, not just maduro's.

Usually recutting and a good purge can reduce the tarring of the end of your smoke.

09-20-2009, 12:32 PM

i hear thay use human blood muhahahahahahahahahaha

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09-20-2009, 02:40 PM

[quote=adampc22;559210]i hear thay use human blood muhahahahahahahahahaha
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at least with human blood you know what your getting!

Ahbroody · 09-20-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

As long as they don't start using pink dye.

Pink is the new black didnt you know?

bigloo · 09-20-2009, 04:05 PM

Keep in mind tabacco had lots of natural oils. When you wet the wrapper these dissolve and the brown could be natural oil coming from the wrapper. Like someone pointed out, think about tea. Take wet tea leave and rub them on a cloth, they will stain.

Giant & 49er Fan · 09-20-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

i know RP edge madruo is dyed...will turn your dang lips brown...GROSS....im not a maduro guy anyway..i need me some corojo

Actually it is a heat process that is used. Not dye. It is the same process used by Gurkha, CAO/Torano, Camacho and many other Factories. Michael aka Kelmac is the reason for this because he smokes so many of these maduros we can't keep up with production to ferment these wrapper long enough to get them naturaly that dark.

TripleF · 09-20-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RPguy

Actually it is a heat process that is used. Not dye. It is the same process used by Gurkha, CAO/Torano, Camacho and many other Factories. Michael aka Kelmac is the reason for this because he smokes so many of these maduros we can't keep up with production to ferment these wrapper long enough to get them naturaly that dark.

I knew it was Mac's fault.

I did just smoke an RP Edge Maduro and don't give a flip about dying or heat process, that's one dang tasty maduro!!

kelmac07 · 09-20-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RPguy

Actually it is a heat process that is used. Not dye. It is the same process used by Gurkha, CAO/Torano, Camacho and many other Factories. Michael aka Kelmac is the reason for this because he smokes so many of these maduros we can't keep up with production to ferment these wrapper long enough to get them naturaly that dark.

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Originally Posted by TripleF

I knew it was Mac's fault.

I did just smoke an RP Edge Maduro and don't give a flip about dying or heat process, that's one dang tasty maduro!!

Did someone say MADUROS??? MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

JJG · 09-20-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bobarian

Dying of maduro wrappers is not an indication of wrapper or cigar quality.

well this was my main concern. I don't really smoke many maduros other than the PAMs anyway. I should clarify though it was the outside wrapper than I wiped off, not the end of the cigar where the tar would build up.

09-20-2009, 07:12 PM

As far as I know Padron do no dye their cigars, maybe it was just the oils?

Starscream · 09-20-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Aldebaran

As far as I know Padron do no dye their cigars, maybe it was just the oils?

Especially the PAM 64. I hope they are not dyed.

Starscream · 09-20-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokinApe

Do cigar makers dye candela cigars green?

Interesting question. Candela wrappers come in many different shades of green.

09-20-2009, 10:33 AM	#1
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	oh no! a dyed wrapper? I'm disappointed. How common is this? I was smoking another one of these Adrian's cigars and I noticed when I wiped the wet end on a paper towel, it leaves a brown stain. I've never tried it before so maybe all cigars do this. I smoked a PAM64 later that night and it did the same thing. Do they use dyed wrappers too?

09-20-2009, 10:45 AM	#2
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,321 Trading: (7)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? Don't worry, it's not shoe polish or anything. Some cigar makers "enhance" their maduro wrappers. They use coffee, tea, or even a sort of "tobacco tea" made from boiling down stems and stalks and such. __________________ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

09-20-2009, 10:47 AM	#3
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 70,533 Trading: (61)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? As long as they don't start using pink dye. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

09-20-2009, 10:48 AM	#4
rudeJARHEAD smoke em if ya got em Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: rude Location: Ft Worth Tx Posts: 24 Trading: (1)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? Are you sure it is not tar? If a cigar is a little on the damp side I have been known to get a bitter tar residue on the cut end. There are manufacturers that artificialy color their maduro wrappers, but you can usually spot them by the overly dark wrappers. __________________ DEFENSE OF A NATION IS THE DUTY OF ITS CITIZENS. SERVICE AS A MARINE IS THE HONOR OF ITS ELITE.

09-20-2009, 10:53 AM	#5
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? I did the wipe thing pretty much right after I lit them so I don't know if they would have time to build up tar residue. Anyhow, I'm not going to worry about it too much, but until now I thought only cheaper cigars had dyed wrappers. Last edited by JJG; 09-20-2009 at 10:59 AM.

09-20-2009, 11:06 AM	#6
borndead1 Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Lancaster, CA Posts: 1,321 Trading: (7)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? I smoked a Padron 80th that stained my fingers, and a Fuente Anejo that stained my fingers, and smoked pitch black cheapazz bundle cigars that didn't stain my fingers. As long as it's not paint, shoe polish, crude oil or whatever, I will continue to smoke an occasional Mr. Hanky Cigar. __________________ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

09-20-2009, 11:38 AM	#7
Red Guest Posts: n/a	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? i know RP edge madruo is dyed...will turn your dang lips brown...GROSS....im not a maduro guy anyway..i need me some corojo

09-20-2009, 12:19 PM	#8
SmokinApe Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jeremy Posts: 1,267 Trading: (35)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? Do cigar makers dye candela cigars green?

09-20-2009, 12:30 PM	#9
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? Dying of maduro wrappers is not an indication of wrapper or cigar quality. Wrappers are dyed to provide consistency and usually used with a naturally fermented wrapper. Heat fermented wrappers are more consistent in color as they are cooked. Natural maduro fermentation can lead to inconsistency. Sometimes this results in blotchy wrappers or differences in color from one batch to another. Staining on the end of a cigar is not an indication of dye. Dye would only show on the outside(wrapper). Staining on the end is usually a buildup of tar and can occur with any combination of wrapper, binder and filler, not just maduro's. Usually recutting and a good purge can reduce the tarring of the end of your smoke.

09-20-2009, 12:32 PM	#10
adampc22 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? i hear thay use human blood muhahahahahahahahahaha [IMG][/IMG]

09-20-2009, 02:40 PM	#11
Red Guest Posts: n/a	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? [quote=adampc22;559210]i hear thay use human blood muhahahahahahahahahaha /[quote] at least with human blood you know what your getting!

09-20-2009, 04:05 PM	#13
bigloo Crazy like a fox Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Lu Location: Rose City Posts: 905 Trading: (27)	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? Keep in mind tabacco had lots of natural oils. When you wet the wrapper these dissolve and the brown could be natural oil coming from the wrapper. Like someone pointed out, think about tea. Take wet tea leave and rub them on a cloth, they will stain.

09-20-2009, 07:12 PM	#18
Aldebaran Guest Posts: n/a	Re: oh no! a dyed wrapper? As far as I know Padron do no dye their cigars, maybe it was just the oils?