First Firearm Thread. - Page 253

emopunker2004 · 02-09-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by big pete

I like my Magpul ACS stock

While I'm waiting for my upper to come, I've been looking at scopes but I'm so lost. What's a decent scope for 50-200yards (probably shooting at around 100yards most of the time)? Preferable at or around $200.

Primary arms makes good budget optics. I would think a 1-4x would be enough.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_...4X_p/pa14x.htm

emopunker2004 · 02-09-2013, 09:38 PM

Or Vortex if u want a 4-12x but not sure it'd be too good at 50yrds

https://www.primaryarms.com/Vortex_C.../cf2-31015.htm

Chainsaw13 · 02-09-2013, 09:51 PM

Went to a local gun show today to see if I could get a hands on feel for ideas on my setup. Price gouging was in full effect. Tulammo for $1/rd.

There was one table with a couple of guys selling some of their own stuff they've collected, not the typical dealers. Anyway he had an Acog on the table. Start talking to him about it and checking it out. If it wasn't brand new, it was damn near close. $600. He had already sold 9 earlier in the day. This was the last one. They had gotten them from an auction, so they didn't know any history in them. I left to check out the rest if the tables, and contemplate how I could come up with $600. Came back and it was sold. Damn, but my wallet thanked me.

spectrrr · 02-09-2013, 09:52 PM

2-7x might be a nice range for you. Redfield makes a budget minded one. Still useful at close range, and a little extra clarity farther away.

I guess it depends what you're going to shoot at 50 yards too... a 3-9x is a fairly classic scope range and readily available.

Me personally, I like things CLOSE for target shooting. I'd use a 20x at 100yds if I could. More tactical oriented shooting however, and it's 1-4x or 2-7x at max. My mini14 wears a 3-9x. My 3gun AR will wear a 1-4x.

emopunker2004 · 02-09-2013, 09:56 PM

Another option is a higher magnification scope but to have iron sights on the gun at a 45* offset for close work, which I'd say 50yrds counts as.

spectrrr · 02-09-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004

Another option is a higher magnification scope but to have iron sights on the gun at a 45* offset for close work, which I'd say 50yrds counts as.

I just used those angled sights for the first time on my 15-22 this month, and I love em, I would stick em on every one of my builds if I could.

Of course, I stuck the $35 cheap ones on the 15-22... and they feel like it. On a plinker AR, screw it, I would probably still use the $35 ones.... for a competition gun like the 3gun one I'm building... I imagine I'll eventually have to bite the bullet and pony up the $230 for real ones....

bonjing · 02-09-2013, 10:32 PM

Better picture (I hope)

emopunker2004 · 02-09-2013, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr

I just used those angled sights for the first time on my 15-22 this month, and I love em, I would stick em on every one of my builds if I could.

Of course, I stuck the $35 cheap ones on the 15-22... and they feel like it. On a plinker AR, screw it, I would probably still use the $35 ones.... for a competition gun like the 3gun one I'm building... I imagine I'll eventually have to bite the bullet and pony up the $230 for real ones....

You could always buy these and put whatever sights or reddot you want on them...

http://www.gggaz.com/45-degree-offse...sory-rail.html

spectrrr · 02-09-2013, 11:01 PM

yeah, though if you're using em for a pair of normal mount rail sight blocks (like the spare pair I got kicking around that came on my 15-22), they will sit pretty high off the gun. Kinda awkward.

Always did think having a red dot mounted like that next to a 2-7x or a 3-9x scope was a pretty slick setup.

emopunker2004 · 02-09-2013, 11:29 PM

Francis. Here's a buckshot comparison at 15yrds into a car door. LE132-00 on the left, regular tactical buckshot on the right...just saying...

spectrrr · 02-09-2013, 11:53 PM

yeah.... that nasty....

emopunker2004 · 02-09-2013, 11:54 PM

almost makes a slug pointless under 25yds.

spectrrr · 02-10-2013, 03:24 AM

might as well be a slug under 15yds....

although I suppose there is something to be said for hitting someone with a wider spread and having greater chance of hitting something vital.... There's also something to be said for making a fist sized hole in someone too

emopunker2004 · 02-10-2013, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by spectrrr

might as well be a slug under 15yds....

although I suppose there is something to be said for hitting someone with a wider spread and having greater chance of hitting something vital.... There's also something to be said for making a fist sized hole in someone too

I'd say that the le132-00 and a slug would both do that

Cigarcop · 02-10-2013, 04:42 AM

Heres a .223 I just built for a customer...

McMillan A5 Stock, Stiller BM, Jewell Trigger, Bartlien 1/8 Twist Barrel Chambered for the 75 Amax & finished at 22.5", Pillar Bedded, Cerakoted Graphite Black in Satin. Action was a factory Rem that I completely trued up.

5 shot group at 100 yrds with no load developement...not bad!

Blueface · 02-10-2013, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigarcop

Heres a .223 I just built for a customer...

McMillan A5 Stock, Stiller BM, Jewell Trigger, Bartlien 1/8 Twist Barrel Chambered for the 75 Amax & finished at 22.5", Pillar Bedded, Cerakoted Graphite Black in Satin. Action was a factory Rem that I completely trued up.

5 shot group at 100 yrds with no load developement...not bad!

Wow.
Nice rifle and grouping.

spectrrr · 02-10-2013, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigarcop

Heres a .223 I just built for a customer...

McMillan A5 Stock, Stiller BM, Jewell Trigger, Bartlien 1/8 Twist Barrel Chambered for the 75 Amax & finished at 22.5", Pillar Bedded, Cerakoted Graphite Black in Satin. Action was a factory Rem that I completely trued up.

5 shot group at 100 yrds with no load developement...not bad!

That's a gorgeous rifle there!

If you don't mind me asking, around how much does something like that run?

elderboy02 · 02-10-2013, 04:22 PM

Very nice!

Cigarcop · 02-10-2013, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr

That's a gorgeous rifle there!

If you don't mind me asking, around how much does something like that run?

$2800.00 w/o scope

Bondo 287 · 02-10-2013, 05:54 PM

Slightly off the scope topic but I have a question.

My son has a new Ruger Security Six 357 Magnum bout a month now. Today at the store got the last box of ammo he thought was .38 special. He got home and realized under closer inspection he purchased .38+p. He is asking me if the 38+p will work in his weapon. But the models can come in 9mm, 357 or 38 specific. The 38 specically is moody if using the 38+p.

We have shot .38 special out of this .357 gun when he got it. Just need to know if 38+p will work if anyone knows. The +p is supposed to just be a heavier grain shot ?

I googled this earlier today and apparently the Ruger model comes in the Security Six, Special Six and some other kind of “six” model. I can’t go back and see what the other version is because I already typed this once and when I opened google in a new tab it wiped out what I typed by closing the previous window.. Guess opening a new tab only retains your other window, if it contains spam, ads, peepal or banking passwords, or animal prawn. Then it keeps that information forever.

So my question is does anyone forsee a problem substituting the 38+p for the 38 SP in this 357 ? Sorry but this my second attempt to ask this question apparently my laptop won't let me ask. Thanks for any help gentlemen,

02-09-2013, 09:38 PM	#5042
emopunker2004 Central Fla rollin Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Justin Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 6,171 Trading: (46)	Re: First Firearm Thread. Or Vortex if u want a 4-12x but not sure it'd be too good at 50yrds https://www.primaryarms.com/Vortex_C.../cf2-31015.htm __________________ Cigar Asylum: Where all are equal, unless you are from CA, then you are more equal.

02-09-2013, 09:51 PM	#5043
Chainsaw13 Møøse bites can be nasty Join Date: Jan 2010 First Name: Bob Location: The Enchanted Mitten Posts: 7,040 Trading: (96)	Re: First Firearm Thread. Went to a local gun show today to see if I could get a hands on feel for ideas on my setup. Price gouging was in full effect. Tulammo for $1/rd. There was one table with a couple of guys selling some of their own stuff they've collected, not the typical dealers. Anyway he had an Acog on the table. Start talking to him about it and checking it out. If it wasn't brand new, it was damn near close. $600. He had already sold 9 earlier in the day. This was the last one. They had gotten them from an auction, so they didn't know any history in them. I left to check out the rest if the tables, and contemplate how I could come up with $600. Came back and it was sold. Damn, but my wallet thanked me. __________________ My neighbor came by my house this morning at 2AM, pounding on the door. Good thing I was still up playing the drums.

02-09-2013, 09:52 PM	#5044
spectrrr Back in the midwest! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Frank Location: Ohio Posts: 5,596 Trading: (20)	Re: First Firearm Thread. 2-7x might be a nice range for you. Redfield makes a budget minded one. Still useful at close range, and a little extra clarity farther away. I guess it depends what you're going to shoot at 50 yards too... a 3-9x is a fairly classic scope range and readily available. Me personally, I like things CLOSE for target shooting. I'd use a 20x at 100yds if I could. More tactical oriented shooting however, and it's 1-4x or 2-7x at max. My mini14 wears a 3-9x. My 3gun AR will wear a 1-4x. __________________ ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right..." -Thomas Paine

02-09-2013, 09:56 PM	#5045
emopunker2004 Central Fla rollin Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Justin Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 6,171 Trading: (46)	Re: First Firearm Thread. Another option is a higher magnification scope but to have iron sights on the gun at a 45* offset for close work, which I'd say 50yrds counts as. __________________ Cigar Asylum: Where all are equal, unless you are from CA, then you are more equal.

02-09-2013, 11:01 PM	#5049
spectrrr Back in the midwest! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Frank Location: Ohio Posts: 5,596 Trading: (20)	Re: First Firearm Thread. yeah, though if you're using em for a pair of normal mount rail sight blocks (like the spare pair I got kicking around that came on my 15-22), they will sit pretty high off the gun. Kinda awkward. Always did think having a red dot mounted like that next to a 2-7x or a 3-9x scope was a pretty slick setup. __________________ ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right..." -Thomas Paine

02-09-2013, 11:29 PM	#5050
emopunker2004 Central Fla rollin Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Justin Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 6,171 Trading: (46)	Re: First Firearm Thread. Francis. Here's a buckshot comparison at 15yrds into a car door. LE132-00 on the left, regular tactical buckshot on the right...just saying... __________________ Cigar Asylum: Where all are equal, unless you are from CA, then you are more equal.

02-09-2013, 11:53 PM	#5051
spectrrr Back in the midwest! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Frank Location: Ohio Posts: 5,596 Trading: (20)	Re: First Firearm Thread. yeah.... that nasty.... __________________ ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right..." -Thomas Paine

02-09-2013, 11:54 PM	#5052
emopunker2004 Central Fla rollin Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Justin Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 6,171 Trading: (46)	Re: First Firearm Thread. almost makes a slug pointless under 25yds. __________________ Cigar Asylum: Where all are equal, unless you are from CA, then you are more equal.

02-10-2013, 03:24 AM	#5053
spectrrr Back in the midwest! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Frank Location: Ohio Posts: 5,596 Trading: (20)	Re: First Firearm Thread. might as well be a slug under 15yds.... although I suppose there is something to be said for hitting someone with a wider spread and having greater chance of hitting something vital.... There's also something to be said for making a fist sized hole in someone too __________________ ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right..." -Thomas Paine

02-10-2013, 04:42 AM	#5055
Cigarcop Wishin I Was Fishin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pa, In a treestand Posts: 1,434 Trading: (40)	Re: First Firearm Thread. Heres a .223 I just built for a customer... McMillan A5 Stock, Stiller BM, Jewell Trigger, Bartlien 1/8 Twist Barrel Chambered for the 75 Amax & finished at 22.5", Pillar Bedded, Cerakoted Graphite Black in Satin. Action was a factory Rem that I completely trued up. 5 shot group at 100 yrds with no load developement...not bad!

02-10-2013, 04:22 PM	#5058
elderboy02 Lets Go Buckeyes! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dan Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 12,497 Trading: (133)	Re: First Firearm Thread. Very nice!

02-10-2013, 05:54 PM	#5060
Bondo 287 Runaway Train Join Date: Jan 2013 First Name: Mikael Location: Unstable, PA Posts: 389 Trading: (0)	Re: First Firearm Thread. Slightly off the scope topic but I have a question. My son has a new Ruger Security Six 357 Magnum bout a month now. Today at the store got the last box of ammo he thought was .38 special. He got home and realized under closer inspection he purchased .38+p. He is asking me if the 38+p will work in his weapon. But the models can come in 9mm, 357 or 38 specific. The 38 specically is moody if using the 38+p. We have shot .38 special out of this .357 gun when he got it. Just need to know if 38+p will work if anyone knows. The +p is supposed to just be a heavier grain shot ? I googled this earlier today and apparently the Ruger model comes in the Security Six, Special Six and some other kind of “six” model. I can’t go back and see what the other version is because I already typed this once and when I opened google in a new tab it wiped out what I typed by closing the previous window.. Guess opening a new tab only retains your other window, if it contains spam, ads, peepal or banking passwords, or animal prawn. Then it keeps that information forever. So my question is does anyone forsee a problem substituting the 38+p for the 38 SP in this 357 ? Sorry but this my second attempt to ask this question apparently my laptop won't let me ask. Thanks for any help gentlemen,