Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers

09-17-2012, 10:19 AM

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/17/ci...rarian-part-1/

“There’s a magazine article that came out two weeks ago,” Garmirian explained, “that had all the, I call them ‘The Looney Club.’ All the loonies. You know: Tatuaje, Drew Estate, Don Giolito [from Illusione Cigars]. All these — This is crazy. Who are these people? [It’s] hip-hop, where they have bastardized cigar smoking to a level of being a la vogue, being cool.”

dave · 09-17-2012, 10:38 AM

Wow. I figured that PG was the loony one....selling mediocre cigars for $15.....but you know what? Maybe I need to rethink...maybe he's the genius. If Pete, Dion, JD (and other energetic young cigar makers) created crappier cigars and upped the MSRP by a 5-spot or so...maybe he wouldn't think them so loony.

Sauer Grapes · 09-17-2012, 10:40 AM

Eh... it's all about customer service. He may be super knowledgeable, and I'm sure that stands for his staff and son as well. That being said, his staff and son both insisted that the bundles with mold on them were actually plume. Ha. I didn't go back after that instance.

pnoon · 09-17-2012, 10:42 AM

I tend to ignore what most bloggers have to say. Especially when all they do is drop in and post a link. Reputation and respect is earned over time and after getting to know someone. Just because someone has a blog doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or respected.

BigJPinDC · 09-17-2012, 10:43 AM

Interesting read, comes accross poorly IMO, probably has increased sales because of the exposure to premium cigars in general those other loons are driving but at his age and experience he can say whatever he wants.

I am not a fan of PG cigars, but to be fair I am not a fan of any dominican cigar.

icehog3 · 09-17-2012, 10:47 AM

I have a couple PG cigars in my humidor. Think I'll pitch them now.

BHalbrooks · 09-17-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pnoon

I tend to ignore what most bloggers have to say. Especially when all they do is drop in and post a link. Reputation and respect is earned over time and after getting to know someone. Just because someone has a blog doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or respected.

He sounds like an elitist, and I hate elitist jerks.

irratebass · 09-17-2012, 10:57 AM

I had a PG this weekend, I was not impressed.

68TriShield · 09-17-2012, 11:08 AM

Much too mild and tasteless for me.

But he can say whatever he wishes to.

Bill86 · 09-17-2012, 11:17 AM

The "looney club"? Boy he is a silly goose.

kydsid · 09-17-2012, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon

I tend to ignore what most bloggers have to say. Especially when all they do is drop in and post a link. Reputation and respect is earned over time and after getting to know someone. Just because someone has a blog doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or respected.

Bloggers and columnists are a lot alike in this instance. Bad form and disrespectful in my book. Won't know who's opinion is right since I won't click.

dave · 09-17-2012, 11:35 AM

pot, meet kettle....talk about loony.....I just now got around to reading the whole 'article'. PG (and the 'writer') is operating on a different plane of reality than I am. I guess after I've been smoking cigars for 52 years I'll finally be 'entitled' to understand wtf he's talking about. Love how the 'writer' tries to describe how good the PG cigar is by saying what it isn't. ....it tastes like air and doesn't TOTALLY suck.......

357 · 09-17-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dave

pot, meet kettle....talk about loony.....I just now got around to reading the whole 'article'. PG (and the 'writer') is operating on a different plane of reality than I am. I guess after I've been smoking cigars for 52 years I'll finally be 'entitled' to understand wtf he's talking about. Love how the 'writer' tries to describe how good the PG cigar is by saying what it isn't. ....it tastes like air and doesn't TOTALLY suck.......

I agree. Really piled on the compliments eh?

kuzi16 · 09-17-2012, 11:57 AM

i feel that he makes a point. of course, it came across very harsh.

he has an idea of what he thinks a cigar "should be".
he makes that cigar. he does have a point that many of the newer makers are all about hype. that hype is independent of the cigars themselves.
nobody on this forum, or any other forum, can tell me that Drew Estates does not advertise in a very specific way to attract the younger newer smoker. the same goes with Viaje, Tatuaje, and others mentioned. i guess he finds that hype annoying.

there is nothing wrong with having a targeted marketing plan to the younger smoker.
Paul Garmirian clearly is not marketing to the young crowd (or any crowd for that matter). he seems to look at cigars as high end luxury goods. it is anything but hype to him. it is all about subtle luxury.

this is why he has his own company. he is doing it his way. if people like his cigars, good for him. if they dont, oh well.

i would love to try one just to try them. I tend to like milder blends as of late. maybe i can see what he is talking about. its a very different cigar philosophy than what is in style in the cigar world right now.

edit: I am a big fan of DE, DPG, and many other of what he is against but i am not willing to discount a cigar because the owner of a company doesnt like what i like in a cigar.

kelmac07 · 09-17-2012, 02:14 PM

I've had a few PG Maduros and really enjoyed them...the wallet, not so much.

Ogre · 09-17-2012, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon

I tend to ignore what most bloggers have to say. Especially when all they do is drop in and post a link. Reputation and respect is earned over time and after getting to know someone. Just because someone has a blog doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or respected.

Well put!!

oooo35980 · 09-17-2012, 02:32 PM

So they are good because he blends them not to be salty, acidic, acrid etc? That's well and good but I think more is required of a good cigar than not tasting nasty. I might have to seek some of these out and see what they are like.

icehog3 · 09-17-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oooo35980

I might have to seek some of these out and see what they are like.

If you can beat my garbageman to my curb this afternoon, there are 3 of them there.

oooo35980 · 09-17-2012, 02:36 PM

They can't be that bad...

68TriShield · 09-17-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kuzi16

i would love to try one just to try them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oooo35980

I might have to seek some of these out and see what they are like.

Both of you should,I'd like to hear your thoughts.The last one I smoked was severely under filled,that pretty much ended it for me.

You can get his number online,chances are you'll speak to him or his son.

09-17-2012, 10:19 AM	#1
Cigar Hunter Guest Posts: n/a	Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/17/ci...rarian-part-1/ “There’s a magazine article that came out two weeks ago,” Garmirian explained, “that had all the, I call them ‘The Looney Club.’ All the loonies. You know: Tatuaje, Drew Estate, Don Giolito [from Illusione Cigars]. All these — This is crazy. Who are these people? [It’s] hip-hop, where they have bastardized cigar smoking to a level of being a la vogue, being cool.”

09-17-2012, 10:38 AM	#2
dave Have My Own Room Join Date: May 2011 First Name: Dave Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,180 Trading: (15)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers Wow. I figured that PG was the loony one....selling mediocre cigars for $15.....but you know what? Maybe I need to rethink...maybe he's the genius. If Pete, Dion, JD (and other energetic young cigar makers) created crappier cigars and upped the MSRP by a 5-spot or so...maybe he wouldn't think them so loony.

09-17-2012, 10:40 AM	#3
Sauer Grapes Snatchin' yo people up Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,235 Trading: (44)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers Eh... it's all about customer service. He may be super knowledgeable, and I'm sure that stands for his staff and son as well. That being said, his staff and son both insisted that the bundles with mold on them were actually plume. Ha. I didn't go back after that instance.

09-17-2012, 10:42 AM	#4
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers I tend to ignore what most bloggers have to say. Especially when all they do is drop in and post a link. Reputation and respect is earned over time and after getting to know someone. Just because someone has a blog doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or respected. __________________ Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. -John Wooden

09-17-2012, 10:43 AM	#5
BigJPinDC Still Watching My Back Join Date: Jul 2011 First Name: JP Location: Nothern Virginia Posts: 75 Trading: (0)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers Interesting read, comes accross poorly IMO, probably has increased sales because of the exposure to premium cigars in general those other loons are driving but at his age and experience he can say whatever he wants. I am not a fan of PG cigars, but to be fair I am not a fan of any dominican cigar.

09-17-2012, 10:47 AM	#6
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 70,580 Trading: (60)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers I have a couple PG cigars in my humidor. Think I'll pitch them now. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

09-17-2012, 10:57 AM	#8
irratebass EMPEROR TOMPKINS Join Date: Aug 2011 First Name: Mickey Location: Mooresville, Indiana Posts: 8,313 Trading: (48)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers I had a PG this weekend, I was not impressed. __________________

09-17-2012, 11:08 AM	#9
68TriShield Got Torque? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Dave Location: Maryland Posts: 7,184 Trading: (40)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers Much too mild and tasteless for me. But he can say whatever he wishes to.

09-17-2012, 11:17 AM	#10
Bill86 Snob Join Date: Jul 2010 First Name: Bill Posts: 6,704 Trading: (67)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers The "looney club"? Boy he is a silly goose. __________________ I'm drunk......but I'll get drunker! - Doug Stanhope

09-17-2012, 11:35 AM	#12
dave Have My Own Room Join Date: May 2011 First Name: Dave Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,180 Trading: (15)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers pot, meet kettle....talk about loony.....I just now got around to reading the whole 'article'. PG (and the 'writer') is operating on a different plane of reality than I am. I guess after I've been smoking cigars for 52 years I'll finally be 'entitled' to understand wtf he's talking about. Love how the 'writer' tries to describe how good the PG cigar is by saying what it isn't. ....it tastes like air and doesn't TOTALLY suck.......

09-17-2012, 11:57 AM	#14
kuzi16 the one and only Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 128 Trading: (1)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers i feel that he makes a point. of course, it came across very harsh. he has an idea of what he thinks a cigar "should be". he makes that cigar. he does have a point that many of the newer makers are all about hype. that hype is independent of the cigars themselves. nobody on this forum, or any other forum, can tell me that Drew Estates does not advertise in a very specific way to attract the younger newer smoker. the same goes with Viaje, Tatuaje, and others mentioned. i guess he finds that hype annoying. there is nothing wrong with having a targeted marketing plan to the younger smoker. Paul Garmirian clearly is not marketing to the young crowd (or any crowd for that matter). he seems to look at cigars as high end luxury goods. it is anything but hype to him. it is all about subtle luxury. this is why he has his own company. he is doing it his way. if people like his cigars, good for him. if they dont, oh well. i would love to try one just to try them. I tend to like milder blends as of late. maybe i can see what he is talking about. its a very different cigar philosophy than what is in style in the cigar world right now. edit: I am a big fan of DE, DPG, and many other of what he is against but i am not willing to discount a cigar because the owner of a company doesnt like what i like in a cigar. __________________ Kuzi's Cigar Catalog

09-17-2012, 02:14 PM	#15
kelmac07 Resident Maduro Whore!! Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Mac Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 27,322 Trading: (218)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers I've had a few PG Maduros and really enjoyed them...the wallet, not so much. __________________ Dom in the MLB thread "I could probably get you to wear a Yankee hat for a Maduro!"

09-17-2012, 02:32 PM	#17
oooo35980 Feeling at Home Join Date: Mar 2011 First Name: Isaiah Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 569 Trading: (3)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers So they are good because he blends them not to be salty, acidic, acrid etc? That's well and good but I think more is required of a good cigar than not tasting nasty. I might have to seek some of these out and see what they are like.

09-17-2012, 02:36 PM	#19
oooo35980 Feeling at Home Join Date: Mar 2011 First Name: Isaiah Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 569 Trading: (3)	Re: Paul Garmirian talks trash about younger cigar makers They can't be that bad...