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04-09-2012, 02:22 PM

Im smoking a cuban cohiba lancero i got one my last trip to london and you know what its plugged its **** nothing more nothing less im going to stub it out under my shoe and light up a opus X i got at foxs in saint James street the same place i got this lancero and you know what im going to enjoy it more than this.

Both are good smokes cuban and non-cuban if you only smoke one kind youre a fool if you think you will find a cuban taste in a non-cuban youre a bigger fool they are two different things but both are good at some point.

Blak Smyth · 04-09-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaver2145

Both are good smokes cuban and non-cuban if you only smoke one kind youre a fool if you think you will find a cuban taste in a non-cuban youre a bigger fool they are two different things but both are good at some point.

I agree, "fool" may be an extreme word though as many (myself included, although I am learning) may just be inexperienced in the world of CCs. If you smoke strong NCs all the time and an occasional CC, you will not taste the subtle nuances of that CC as you are used to such dominating obvious flavors found in NCs.

I smoked NCs everyday, and loved them. I smoked an occasional CC to try it out, and I could never understand the following CC had. I did a personal experiment (Advised by a friend) and quit smoking all NCs for a month while I indulged in tons of CCs and man I am in love now.

oooo35980 · 04-09-2012, 02:37 PM

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I fail to see how shipping to paying customers makes them shady. All the online shops I'm aware off fully comply with the export laws of theiShady just means under the table, below board, illegalr respective countries. These aren't American companies and therefore they are not bound by, or required to follow, American laws. They are just shipping a product that a customer has requested and paid for. If that customer happens to be an American then the legality, or lack thereof, of the transaction is on the customer side and therefore the responsibility of the customer not the vendor.

Shady simply means under the table, below board. You don't have to sell drugs on a street corner to be shady. You don't have to be dishonest either. In my opinion shipping product to a place where it is illegal is taking part in a shady deal, especially if it requires "discreet" shipping. To get Cubans in the US you have to show a certain degree of shadiness and disregard the law, so does whoever ships them to you. Hell that might be half the fun.

pnoon · 04-09-2012, 02:40 PM

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04-09-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

I agree, "fool" may be an extreme word though as many (myself included, although I am learning) may just be inexperienced in the world of CCs. If you smoke strong NCs all the time and an occasional CC, you will not taste the subtle nuances of that CC as you are used to such dominating obvious flavors found in NCs.

I smoked NCs everyday, and loved them. I smoked an occasional CC to try it out, and I could never understand the following CC had. I did a personal experiment (Advised by a friend) and quit smoking all NCs for a month while I indulged in tons of CCs and man I am in love now.

May be fool is a bit extream but ill stand by it.

CCs take time to get used to this i agree with but dose it make them better than NCs that are good right off the bat IMHO HELL NO

PuffPuffGive1 · 04-09-2012, 02:46 PM

Do you guys think CCs will lose some of it's 'mysticism' if the embargo were to ever be lifted? But my opinion in regards to this whole matter is that I only smoke particular brands of NC's while me personally haven't had a CC I didn't like.

akumushi · 04-09-2012, 02:53 PM

I've always heard shady used as a synonym for disingenious, similar to dodgy in British English- in regards to a dealer/source it would mean they were liable to lie, cheat or doublecross you in a deal. A shady dealer is one who might just as soon rob you at gunpoint than give you the stuff, or try to pass off something cut down with oregano or baby powder, or in the case of cigars, a glass-top box of cohibos. Now that's shady. Since it's a term that originated in a context where flouting the law is an accepted part of the game, simply doing something illegal doesn't make you shady- it's breaking the compact of trust with the customer that does. So in that sense, none of my sources are in the least bit shady.

akumushi · 04-09-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffPuffGive1

Do you guys think CCs will lose some of it's 'mysticism' if the embargo were to ever be lifted? But my opinion in regards to this whole matter is that I only smoke particular brands of NC's while me personally haven't had a CC I didn't like.

Of course. They will also go way up in price and have a temporary dip in quality as production is ramped up beyond capacity, so all of the noobs will be severely disappointed and think it was always a bunch of hype.

bobarian · 04-09-2012, 03:08 PM

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icehog3 · 04-09-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PuffPuffGive1

Do you guys think CCs will lose some of it's 'mysticism' if the embargo were to ever be lifted? But my opinion in regards to this whole matter is that I only smoke particular brands of NC's while me personally haven't had a CC I didn't like.

Good thing I smoke them for the flavor and not the mysticism.

mithrilG60 · 04-09-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by oooo35980

Shady simply means under the table, below board. You don't have to sell drugs on a street corner to be shady. You don't have to be dishonest either. In my opinion shipping product to a place where it is illegal is taking part in a shady deal, especially if it requires "discreet" shipping. To get Cubans in the US you have to show a certain degree of shadiness and disregard the law, so does whoever ships them to you. Hell that might be half the fun.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the rest of the world doesn't give a rats ass about your little embargo and vendors outside the US are neither required to obey nor enforce US laws. It's simply impossible to disregard a law that doesn't exist. If you're not breaking any laws then you're not being "shady"... you're serving your customers, and that's just called doing business.

oooo35980 · 04-09-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the rest of the world doesn't give a rats ass about your little embargo and vendors outside the US are neither required to obey nor enforce US laws. It's simply impossible to disregard a law that doesn't exist. If you're not breaking any laws then you're not being "shady"... you're serving your customers, and that's just called doing business.

No need to get so worked up... If you think it isn't shady in any way to ship a product to a place where it is illegal, then I respect your opinion. I don't understand it, but I respect it.

688sonarmen · 04-09-2012, 04:50 PM

NC's for me. Just for background info I have smoked several CC ranging in different maracas and most have left me underwhelmed. But, one PSD4 (the 3rd one I smoked) was the best damn cigar I have ever had, the thing was an experience and I went into it pessimistic only to be blown away. Then I bought a whole mess of CC's which I have been smoking this week and they are up there with my NC's but still not what I like. For me when I smoke a cigar and really pay attention to it I can find plenty of flavors. But that PSD4 was different, I was watching the Cards and just picked it on a whim thinking I would S can it and grab a NC. It's just not worth the time, $, and I run a risk with possibly drawing attention to my job. But man, if they all could be like that one CC I would be a CC man.

mithrilG60 · 04-09-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oooo35980

No need to get so worked up... If you think it isn't shady in any way to ship a product to a place where it is illegal, then I respect your opinion. I don't understand it, but I respect it.

I'm not worked up, I just don't get the mentality that labels a business as "shady" for following all applicable laws. If you feel bound to follow the laws of your country that great but doesn't mean that citizens or businesses belongin to other nationalies should feel the same compunction to uphold your law for you. That's just stupid.

lilninjabuddy · 04-09-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RichieBklyn

CC's or NC's?

Yes.

688sonarmen · 04-09-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lilninjabuddy

Yes.

Good call.

big pete · 04-09-2012, 05:14 PM

Both for me

04-09-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lilninjabuddy

Yes.

Dang, I had to read every post in this thread before someone came up with my answer!

More like:

Sure! Watcha got?

BMack · 04-09-2012, 07:16 PM

Don't buy Cuban cigars, don't smoke tobacco, don't speed, don't download music from the internet, don't have sex before marriage, cool whatever floats your boat...your stance on any of these issues doesn't affect my life.

levrac68 · 04-09-2012, 07:21 PM

Some of the Best and Worst Cigars I've smoked were Cubans. Same goes for the NCs... I think the NCs have come a long way in recent years quality and taste wise, whereas the Cubans really haven't made much strides. Don't get caught up in the mystique of the origin or the brand. Trying all different kinds till you find what floats your boat is what makes the whole experience as great as it is...

Enjoy
TF

04-09-2012, 02:22 PM	#181
Reaver2145 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: CC's or NC's? Im smoking a cuban cohiba lancero i got one my last trip to london and you know what its plugged its **** nothing more nothing less im going to stub it out under my shoe and light up a opus X i got at foxs in saint James street the same place i got this lancero and you know what im going to enjoy it more than this. Both are good smokes cuban and non-cuban if you only smoke one kind youre a fool if you think you will find a cuban taste in a non-cuban youre a bigger fool they are two different things but both are good at some point.

04-09-2012, 02:40 PM	#184
pnoon YNWA Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Peter Location: San Diego Posts: 29,919 Trading: (20)	Re: CC's or NC's? Posted via Mobile Device

04-09-2012, 02:46 PM	#186
PuffPuffGive1 I'm the one who knocks! Join Date: Nov 2011 First Name: Alan Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 167 Trading: (5)	Re: CC's or NC's? Do you guys think CCs will lose some of it's 'mysticism' if the embargo were to ever be lifted? But my opinion in regards to this whole matter is that I only smoke particular brands of NC's while me personally haven't had a CC I didn't like.

04-09-2012, 02:53 PM	#187
akumushi Habanos Apologist Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,298 Trading: (11)	Re: CC's or NC's? I've always heard shady used as a synonym for disingenious, similar to dodgy in British English- in regards to a dealer/source it would mean they were liable to lie, cheat or doublecross you in a deal. A shady dealer is one who might just as soon rob you at gunpoint than give you the stuff, or try to pass off something cut down with oregano or baby powder, or in the case of cigars, a glass-top box of cohibos. Now that's shady. Since it's a term that originated in a context where flouting the law is an accepted part of the game, simply doing something illegal doesn't make you shady- it's breaking the compact of trust with the customer that does. So in that sense, none of my sources are in the least bit shady. __________________ "Eventually, however, every ash must drop. And the drop usually is as sudden as it is final."

04-09-2012, 04:50 PM	#193
688sonarmen Shipmate! Join Date: Mar 2009 First Name: Jake Location: Norwich, Ct Posts: 2,698 Trading: (17)	Re: CC's or NC's? NC's for me. Just for background info I have smoked several CC ranging in different maracas and most have left me underwhelmed. But, one PSD4 (the 3rd one I smoked) was the best damn cigar I have ever had, the thing was an experience and I went into it pessimistic only to be blown away. Then I bought a whole mess of CC's which I have been smoking this week and they are up there with my NC's but still not what I like. For me when I smoke a cigar and really pay attention to it I can find plenty of flavors. But that PSD4 was different, I was watching the Cards and just picked it on a whim thinking I would S can it and grab a NC. It's just not worth the time, $, and I run a risk with possibly drawing attention to my job. But man, if they all could be like that one CC I would be a CC man.

04-09-2012, 05:14 PM	#197
big pete Going to the darkside.... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,276 Trading: (20)	Re: CC's or NC's? Both for me

04-09-2012, 07:16 PM	#199
BMack Dreaming of Bolivars Join Date: Apr 2012 First Name: Brian Location: Tampa Posts: 43 Trading: (0)	Re: CC's or NC's? Don't buy Cuban cigars, don't smoke tobacco, don't speed, don't download music from the internet, don't have sex before marriage, cool whatever floats your boat...your stance on any of these issues doesn't affect my life. __________________ My backyard is more humid than my humidor.

04-09-2012, 07:21 PM	#200
levrac68 Still Watching My Back Join Date: Mar 2012 First Name: Todd Location: Long Island Posts: 118 Trading: (0)	Re: CC's or NC's? Some of the Best and Worst Cigars I've smoked were Cubans. Same goes for the NCs... I think the NCs have come a long way in recent years quality and taste wise, whereas the Cubans really haven't made much strides. Don't get caught up in the mystique of the origin or the brand. Trying all different kinds till you find what floats your boat is what makes the whole experience as great as it is... Enjoy TF