iPhone Sucks and Apple are Bastards

[King James]

Yes, good point Vic. I figured there was 3rd party, but apple care is usually pretty good (maybe not for the iPhone, I wouldn't know.... don't have one)


and I'm starting to think that it isn't Apple users that blindly follow any products they put out just because its Apple, but Apple haters that blindly hate every product that comes out because its Apple

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by King James

Yes, good point Vic. I figured there was 3rd party, but apple care is usually pretty good (maybe not for the iPhone, I wouldn't know.... don't have one)


and I'm starting to think that it isn't Apple users that blindly follow any products they put out just because its Apple, but Apple haters that blindly hate every product that comes out because its Apple

Interesting Jim.
I have many Apple products now.
I have them because I love their innovation, their look and the ease of use.
I don't buy anything blindly and I am not faithful to any brand.
I follow my desires at that point in time and who offers the best product for MY personal likes.

[spectrrr]

Replace "windows" with "windows mobile"

[spectrrr]

It is my humble opinion that the reason Apple products are so popular with many folks is the exact same reason that they are equally despised by others.

Apple products are designed with a specific, targeted, but very limited feature set. They are not flexible. You will do it their way, or not at all. IN RETURN FOR THAT, what they do always works, with very few errors. Conflicts, debugging, driver issues, multiple source issues, all those things are significantly reduced.

Furthermore, by simplifying the interface so much, Apple ensures that the greatest number of people can use it with the greatest amount of success. It will forever be hobbled by that simplicity, but the vast majority of people never demand more, so why should they care?

Steve'o gets to build an empire charging inflated prices BECAUSE as any good businessman will tell you, its the price the market will bear. Clearly people are willing to pay for what Apple offers, and its certainly NOT a "rich feature set" they are paying for, its the very LACK of a feature set (disguised as simplicity) that people are willing to pay for.

My hatred of Apple products will never change, because I will always demand greater flexibility, and I will always be willing to accept the trade-off that it will come with the bugs and flaws inherent in windows/android/whatever software. I recognize that you can't have one without the other and I am at peace with that.

Apple fanboys need to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that their beloved products ARE LIMITED in what they can do. You paid premium $ for a product that does less, BUT YOUR HAPPY, so I believe the cigar smokers adage applies here.

Windows/etc. fanboys need to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that quite a lot of people DON'T GIVE A DAMN about the X Y Z things their more flexible product can do, they just want it to work well without having to think about it! You paid less $ for a product that does more, at the expense of effort spent fixing it, or effort ALREADY SPENT learning to fix it without much effort.

well, thats enough ramblings for one moment. Both camps are generally a bit deluded and blind to the drawback of their chosen path.

As for me, I believe William Wallace said it best: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!

[King James]

well there is a post that can actually be responded to.

It is just a matter of where you rank things. You like the freedom, I used to have the freedom (when I had a PC) and found that I didn't really need it. I like how everything just works (for the most part) with Apple.... and the simplicity offered works better for me than the freedom I'm giving up that I wouldn't use anyways.

Or as far as phones go, I don't ever even remove my SD card now on my Droid when I have it, so not having one in an iphone wouldn't make any difference. What would make a difference would be my ability to sync with my Macs and mobileme and itunes/idisk

[King James]

So the iTouch sucks in general because you had an isolated problem on an out of warranty product?
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[Blueface]

Originally Posted by King James

So the iTouch sucks in general because you had an isolated problem on an out of warranty product?
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Jim,
Folks will likely not believe this but my 2 and a half year old grandson has an original version of the iPod Touch.
That kid beats the living crap out of it and it still ticks.

When he comes to my house, which is at least 5 days a week, the first thing he asks for is my iPhone. He knows how to use half of my applications. He has dropped it on me at least a half a dozen times. Additionally, I have dropped it another half dozen times at least. All I have on it is an Incipio cover. It has yet to break or malfunction.

So, things can go wrong with them as with anything. However, that first generation iPod Touch and my iPhone can outlast a 2 and a half year old. Not bad at all if you ask me.

[Tazziedevil]

I'd respond to the cloud storage point, but there wouldn't be a point really. Apple fanboys will always find a reason to try and prove why paying more money for less features is a good idea.
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Originally Posted by Tazziedevil

I'd respond to the cloud storage point, but there wouldn't be a point really. Apple fanboys will always find a reason to try and prove why paying more money for less features is a good idea.
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Insulting people really isn't the way to get your point across,

[Tazziedevil]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Insulting people really isn't the way to get your point across,

I'm not sure how I insulted anyone, unless the term fanboy is insulting. If that's the case, I apologize.
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Originally Posted by Tazziedevil

I'm not sure how I insulted anyone, unless the term fanboy is insulting. If that's the case, I apologize.
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Duuuuuuuddddeeeeeee.........come on now, man up.

Of course you know it's insulting, that's why you used it.

Reminds me of someone from the South who once told me that she didn't realize that "yankee" was an insulting term

[Tazziedevil]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Duuuuuuuddddeeeeeee.........come on now, man up.

Of course you know it's insulting, that's why you used it.

Reminds me of someone from the South who once told me that she didn't realize that "yankee" was an insulting term

I see the term used all the time; often by those who use and love apple. I didn't rrealize it would be such an insulting term, so once again...I apologize.
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[macpappy]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Duuuuuuuddddeeeeeee.........come on now, man up.

Of course you know it's insulting, that's why you used it.

Reminds me of someone from the South who once told me that she didn't realize that "yankee" was an insulting term

Yankee is in insulting term? Who would have thought.....

[spectrrr]

Originally Posted by Tazziedevil

I'd respond to the cloud storage point, but there wouldn't be a point really. Apple fanboys will always find a reason to try and prove why paying more money for less features is a good idea.
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And windows/etc fanboys will never understand why paying more money for less features is a good idea. We worship flexibility, why would anyone not want join us in our devotions to this oh so holy light?

The fundamental reason the arguments cannot be reconciled is because the conditions of victory are different, so even a "winning" argument from one side will forever be a "losing" argument to the other, simply because the goals are different.

While both sides make factually correct arguments, all they have done is prove that their camp is "the best" at what it does.... but since each camp has different goals, proving that your camp is "the best" only means you are better than other similarly themed camps.

FOR EXAMPLE, Windows Mobile VS Android is a fair comparison from which it is theoretically possible to obtain a clear winner. Bother are robust, complicated and OS's with significant flexibility, hackability, and features, so then you are comparing apples to apples and can determine a winner - in other words, an individual's purchasing decision is determined by which platform or phone is better.

BUT Comparing Android/Windows to iPhone is, IMO, comparing apples to oranges. Yes, they're both PDA phones, but if you really think about it, their fundamental philosophy and feature set are vastly different. In other words - an individual's purchasing decision is not made by comparing the two platforms or phones, it is made by comparing the two philosophy's and choosing which is better.

If you chose the philosophy of Apple, then the decision ends there (none other can compete).... and if you chose the philosophy of windows/android/etc, then you still have to dig into the details and decide on a specific device or platform within that philosophy (plenty of competition).

[King James]

I've never said cloud is better. I said I don't use my sd card and would use a cloud because I have mobileme. In fact, there has been almost no "fanboy" comments from apple users in this entire thread... just apple bashing from the other side. Its a personal preference, I don't care what other people use
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The hilarious thing to me is that I've never owned an Apple computer in my life. The extent of my involvement with Apple is that I owned an ipod classic, and now I own an Iphone. I've used windows based computers my whole life

As an aside, people do realize that Apple computers are PC's too right? Just to keep our terminology straight,

[Tazziedevil]

One more point about removable storage- sure a cloud system is a nice workaround to being able to double back up, unless you can't access the internet for whatever reason (network down, blackspot, you forgot to pay your bill, in a foreign country, etc.)

Then you're back to not having a backup...
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[Tazziedevil]

I don't believe for a second that physical keyboards are on the way out. Most companies have a touchscreen option, but all but one also have physical keyboards on their phones.

And yeah I use cloud storage as well, but the point remains I'm aware of the shortcomings of relying on carrier internet connections for important work. I think ahead, and don't want to risk blowing an important presentation (like a speech at a wedding).

And yeah, some market segments want to carry all their music and videos with them, but business people, CEO's, and those in that segment have much less need to carry a bunch of music. That's why Blackberries are still very much the choice of that demographic.
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[kydsid]

blackberries are still the choice of business because it was first with push mail service and is therfore part of the culture because it is established in the corporate support system of IT purchasin g getc.
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[spectrrr]

Originally Posted by kydsid

blackberries are still the choice of business because it was first with push mail service and is therfore part of the culture because it is established in the corporate support system of IT purchasin g getc.
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BUT they were also simple and more idiot proof for what business needed done. JUST LIKE the iPhone has a very simple feature set that specifically targets it's market, the Blackberry has a very limited and specific feature set that targets its market.

Times are changing however, and the blackberry market is beginning to demand more features..... they had best innovate, and soon, or they may lose their market.