Sometimes you call a spade a spade

Originally Posted by fissure

Just got an email from the accused.

All packages that had not been sent out have been sent as of last night/this morning. Only ones he hasn't shipped out is 2 to canada and one to the UK. Take it for what its worth, just the messenger. Hopefully this is true and they will all arrive shortly

Seems I have heard this story before. No offense to fissure at all who has gone above and beyond in trying to sort this out for the many involved. My thanks for that

Originally Posted by Hardcz

With what's left to send out for the cigar group buy I will need to pm elderboy for his address still.

DANIEL BALL JR
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 1777 2791
ADAM JAFFE
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7496 8149 8728
JAYMZ
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 3874 4319
FRANCIS CARDULLO
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 2825 8550
CLIFFORD BAGWELL
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7497 9680 1277
MICHAEL S. POWERS
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 0728 7038
SHAWN THOMPSON
Priority Mail International® Label Number: CJ194143480US


I will hand deliver the last two to Buena Fortuna who received his other cigars as these last two arrived much later.

I need to make a print label for dentonparrots, jbailey, and rhnewfie. I have one for lostark at home still, and confirm ScottW as I thought I had mailed his already but may not have.

Here for the thread

If cigars do show up I will be surprised. But even if they do, hardcz has already informed me it will not be as many as I ordered or what I ordered.

For purposes of fairness I had quite a few small transactions with hardcz prior to this and all where without incident. This does not make me feel better, it actually makes me feel worse as I feel I have been set up. I have no proof of that hence why it was not said in the original post but that is what my gut tells me.

As for the comments in Don Fernando's post regarding someone expecting 125 but only paid and is getting 50

Originally Posted by Hardcz

Shawn,

I spoke to ****, he said he sizes you wanted could take a while to find molds to make, as he does not have them. He offered up these instead as he actually has them right now.

Please let me know and I'll get all this started.

(75) baby Salomones (6 3/8 x 52)- $225 this cigar has the same shape as a Salomone (7.25 X 57), but just a bit shorter

(50) Sublime Extra pigtail/shagfoot (6 1/2 X 54)-$250 actually about an inch longer if you include the shagfoot

When I said I only posted the facts in my initial post, I in fact only posted the facts that I could support.

There where many chat conversations that I do not still have. I was only informed less than 2 weeks ago that I would only be recieving 50 sticks and that I would not be getting the baby Salamoes or the Sublime Extra's (I was not even informed what I would be getting)

[Sancho]

Originally Posted by SilverFox

As for the comments in Don Fernando's post regarding someone expecting 125 but only paid and is getting 50



You do the math, perhaps I am stupid

So you were under the impression you were getting ____ _ for $3 a stick and $5 a stick respectively?

[fissure]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Shawn. I don't want to be in the middle or any part of this.....But I want to see all you guys get your cigars.

Shawn, the story I got from Dan was that what he sent you in the pm you posted was what he got from the supplier. The 75 and the 50 was supposed to be what the supplier had in stock at the moment (3 bundles and 2 bundles). The price was per bundle, which makes a lot more sense for that size. At the prices you thought, I would have jumped on 100 of them Sounds like that's where the mis communication might have been??

[Old Sailor]

Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down. to quote Dan



Depression....I have suffered with it for 10 years, never once has it come in the way of sending stuff out or communicating with people who I owe....do what I did, get on some meds.

Originally Posted by Old Sailor

Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down. to quote Dan



Depression....I have suffered with it for 10 years, never once has it come in the way of sending stuff out or communicating with people who I owe....do what I did, get on some meds.

All my adult life here Dave, and we know I can send out a package

[Skywalker]

Owned!!!

I like that "thumbs down" picture!!!






* Mods, If I'm out of order please remove my post!

[Negncic]

I have been waiting on Dan's end of a trade from February. He never said he sent them, just a series of excuses. I forgot, life problems, etc. Promises to send out the sticks that were never fulfilled.

[loki]

for what it's worth, and I don't think it's much at this point, I talked to dan and he seemed hurt that we thought that he would just take the money and not order or order and keep the sticks. he also said that he would get the stuff out. yes I know we've heard this before and if i can figure out how to transfer the gchat logs from my Blackberry to my mac i'll post them for all to read. I don't care about dan in this I want everyone to get what they paid for

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by loki

for what it's worth, and I don't think it's much at this point, I talked to dan and he seemed hurt that we thought that he would just take the money and not order or order and keep the sticks. he also said that he would get the stuff out. yes I know we've heard this before and if i can figure out how to transfer the gchat logs from my Blackberry to my mac i'll post them for all to read. I don't care about dan in this I want everyone to get what they paid for

Are you kidding me? Dan is not the victim here. I sincerely hope he gets his personal issues worked out but this is proof that he STILL does not get it. He clearly does not understand what he has done, the impact it has had on many many people, and how it is all perceived by the entire cigar community. His word at this point in the game is virtually worthless.

No intent here on shooting the messenger, but that one phrase really struck a nerve.

[Scottw]

Originally Posted by pnoon

Are you kidding me? Dan is not the victim here. I sincerely hope he gets his personal issues worked out but this is proof that he STILL does not get it. He clearly does not understand what he has done, the impact it has had on many many people, and how it is all perceived by the entire cigar community. His word at this point in the game is virtually worthless.

No intent here on shooting the messenger, but that one phrase really struck a nerve.

Got to agree here, although I wasn't stiffed for money, I too bought sticks that were delivered 4 months later and wrapped in one piece of newspaper that when unwrapped revealed torn wrappers on all the sticks. Dan is not a victim, Dan has a problem. Sorry, had to comment, I'm done.

[poker]

I think at this point actions are going to speak louder than words. The words dont mean much anymore to many. Instead of saying he's going to do it, he needs to just do it already. Its not like it requires a masters degree in problem solving or anything.

[icehog3]

I am so upset about Dan's comments, I have typed out several posts and deleted each of them, thinking better of it.

Let's just suffice to say I call bullsh*t.

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I am so upset about Dan's comments, I have typed out several posts and deleted each of them, thinking better of it.

Let's just suffice to say I call bullsh*t.

So many things wrong with his email its hard to know which to comment on first.

The transactions on CA are not Dan's first time doing this sort of thing. Back on CS/Puff there was at least one other situation that required intervention.

[Martin]

to quote Dan
"Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down."

Take the $ for yur next session or 2 with the therapist, buy cigars owed, cover yur nutt, nuff said.

You'll still be a lair n a thief but on your way to redemption.

[Old Sailor]

Boy.....you really know how to kill a thread Martin!

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by bigloo

Icehog, restraint is what lands people in the comfy chair, let it out tough guy!

Gotta think of myself too, I almost had an anuerysm!

[St. Lou Stu]

Originally Posted by Martin

to quote Dan
"Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down."

If the quote is true, it is sad to see how things played out.

This place is full of support.

[Tenor CS]

Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

This place is full of support.

Disclaimer: I have no dog in this fight, as someone else said. I did get some emails from Dan re: a trading email list that he was trying to set up, but I ignored them because I wasn't interested.

Re: the part that I quoted from St. Lou Stu:

I agree that this place is one of the most supportive places I've seen online. In fact, I was going to post something to the effect of "does anyone live near Dan that could stop by and check on him, maybe do him the favor of dropping stuff off at the post office?" (Assuming the DC numbers are legit and the stuff really is packed up and ready to go) That was when I was still in the "I want to give Dan the benefit of the doubt" mode and before I'd read too many bad stories about him.

I have had my own physical and pain-related issues for the last year or so, and at times the pain has been debilitating, to the point where I couldn't leave my bed, let alone the apartment. I had all these grand plans for the summer, as far as cleaning up the apartment and such ... what did I do? Not a damn thing. I mostly stayed in bed writhing in pain that has thankfully been alleviated by my latest surgery. So I definitely have sympathy for someone who's having a medical issue, even if it is mental rather than physical. (Not to discount the fact that depression does have physical effects)

Maybe he's a scammer, maybe he's just irresponsible, maybe he's a liar. Probably a little combination of all 3. I don't think any of us will ever know the 100% truth.

All I know is that I am grateful for the support, advice, and kindness that I have received from many members on here regarding my job loss and health issues. For more on that, see my "Update on Tenor CS's health" thread.

Good night, Cigar Asylum.

[G G]

You seem like the kind of guy that that kind of restraint is killing you Tom.

I don't have a dog in the fight so to speak, but I like a lot of the other folks on here, hate to see this kind of thing happen cause it hurts us all.