Boycotting the NFL in 2012 - Page 4

Blak Smyth · 04-12-2012, 06:17 AM

I am going to be watching the NFL this year more than I have in the last few years. It is an exciting time to be a Redskins fan!

dave · 04-12-2012, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

I am going to be watching the NFL this year more than I have in the last few years. It is an exciting time to be a Redskins fan!

This is what sports is all about!!!

Even a Skins fan can work himself into such a frenzy as to be excited about football! This stuff is better'n drugs.

February through August is always the best time to be a Redskins fan.

Islayphile · 04-12-2012, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave

February through August is always the best time to be a Redskins fan.

Aint that the truth

Blak Smyth · 04-12-2012, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave

This is what sports is all about!!!

Even a Skins fan can work himself into such a frenzy as to be excited about football! This stuff is better'n drugs.

February through August is always the best time to be a Redskins fan.

True, but THIS year will be different, haha Hahahah Bahahahahahahahaha

Oh and I got the best player in baseball with the overall #2 pick this year! KEMP! (A bit bias, but the numbers don't lie)

OLS · 04-12-2012, 07:26 AM

I would also like to answer in one fell swoop, everyone who has basically characterized me
as having a hissy fit over this judgement. Some have even tried to do it gently as if it
changes what they are implying. I am boycotting the NFL in 2012. Nowhere in any of my
posts have I encouraged others to join my cause or share my opinion. Nowhere in any of
my posts have I ever inferred that I think I am going to hurt the NFL by boycotting it.
Nowhere in any of my posts have I inferred that I feel I am going to incur some kind of
personal, emotional loss by missing games. Like I said early on, when I thought the NBA was
becoming basically pro wrestling with a ball, and that they were marketing themselves like they
wanted thugs and gang-bangers for their audience, it was clear to me that they did not want me
as a fan I left them behind and never gave them a second look. If I do this to the NFL too, it will
be because I felt they came down too hard on my team. And lastly, if people then say "Well then
what's the point of your post if you don't care who knows, who cares about or who is hurt by your
boycott?" And I say to that, have you READ some of the posts we get here?? There is one that
basically asks people to tell us all what the most expensive thing they ever bought was.

04-12-2012, 09:08 AM

Some pretty strong opinions here. I'll voice mine now, too. There's a few issues here. Had the Saints stopped when they were told to, this would be a non issue. They were told to stop, and they didn't, then there was the lie and coverup. Additionally, there is all of the evidence that the league had against them. Whatever the documentation of the program is (e-mails, etc.), too. There's obviously no precedent for a team doing anything like this and being punished, so that's one of the big problems. IMO, they were slapped on the wrist a couple times, already, when the league told them to knock the $hit off. They kept doing it, showing a lack of respect for the league and their authority. What else were they to do? They had to mete out a punishment severe enough to let the team (and the rest of the league) that they mean what they say, and if you don't follow the rules, you're going to pay a hefty price. Was it too steep? Obviously to you, it was. Were it to happen to the Vikings, I'd say flat out fire the coach and GM, and let them deal with the suspension when they're out of work, or when (if anyone would hire them again) someone else decides to hire them. They knew the rules, and were reminded of them, but still went around it. IMO, it's much like the "lack of institutional control" charge that college programs deal with when an assistant and/or coach is violating rules, and the AD gets their hand slapped with that.

Now, did they end anyone's career? I don't know, honestly, but there was the intent to injure opposing players. I played enough football to know the brutality of it. At the same time, you weren't out there trying to cause an injury that could potentially end someone's playing days/career. With the knowledge of what concussions have done to some former players (Al Toon and Merril Hoge come to mind right away), going after someone's head in this day and age is beyond not cool. A coach who condones that, and a player who does that, too, is not someone I'd want to play for or with. The fact that Williams didn't care if they hit someone after the whistle (which I believe the tape that I've heard states) implies a disregard for clean play. Play to the whistle, and help your opponent up, not beyond it.

As for just knocking a player out for the game goes...well, that one has been debated a lot. Yes, these athletes have a lot better body control than your average Joe, but at the same time, there aren't many physics majors out there who know just the level of force to apply to cause a "minor" injury vs a "major" one.

I think the NFL's hands were tied a bit in regards to the punishment they handed out. They are being sued for not doing enough to protect the players' safety, especially in regards to concussions. Handing out a punishment like that says that they're serious about it, and want to protect the players.

It serves multiple purposes here, to show they want to protect players, and to serve notice to anyone else who thinks they can get around the rules that if they are caught, they will be punished severely.

Texan in Mexico · 04-12-2012, 01:39 PM

OLS - I believe I understand your statement and I agree with you. You are not looking for a pity party or to have us join forces with you. Thankfully you live in a country where you can voice your opinion and this Forum has always been a place where we respect each other's opinions.

Unfortunately, as they are dealing with billions of dollars of annual revenues and pending lawsuits, hypocrisy raised its head for the good of the majority. As mentioned above, if the hammer didn't drop it would have been a boon for existing litigation.

Again, I agree with you up to the Martin reference, IMHO it is too soon for that joke.
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Starscream · 04-12-2012, 08:27 PM

Brad, I enjoy your posts and your presence here, so I'm going to be honest here, no offense intended.
I think this thread that you have created have been similar to a few threads that I have created here, especially in the sports section. In the past, I have made a judgement and a decision and I posted it here looking for acceptance, yet there was no acceptance by the members here at CA. I still firmly stand behind my thoughts, opinions, and decisions, even if the majority here say I am wrong. I don't think that you created this thread for the sole purpose of looking for acceptance in your decision, but deep down, maybe even subconsciously, you created this thread looking for someone to back you and agree with you. It didn't happen, and it's ok. You made a decision, you can back it and at the end of the day, you can still live with yourself and accept it. That's a good thing. I may not agree with you entirely on this subject, although I do see where you're coming from, and I respect your decision.
I may be way off base here, but this thread reminds me of a few that I have started over the years. No harm, no foul either way. At the end of the day, we here are ALL friends and BOTls, and whether or not everyone agrees with you or not, we still can respect your decision.

OLS · 04-13-2012, 08:14 AM

I respect your opinion starscream, but no, I really just put it up there to let people know that I was pissed off about the
penalty, and for my own sake, that was the last straw. And I LOVE the Saints. Hard to imagine doing something that
counter-intuitive. Why miss football to protest a penalty against your team. I fully understand all the opinions
where people say this is a REAL problem in the league and they were warned twice and they did it anyway. Do Raiders
fans resent people thinking their team plays dirty? Do Eagles fans resent that people consider them the worst fans
in the league? It's all relative. I agree that you have to protect the pumpkins of these players WHO CHOOSE to play a
dangerous game and they do it for the money. It's all relative. I am not anti-fair play. I am anti bullying by the league
office. RIGHT OR WRONG, I resent their actions and I intend to protest.

Why I chose to make a thread on it is simple, I was frustrated by the severity of the penalty and I am a member
in good standing. I COULD do it so I DID IT. I am not looking for sympathy for me or my team.
The league can kiss my entire A$$.

Starscream · 04-13-2012, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS

I respect your opinion starscream, but no, I really just put it up there to let people know that I was pissed off about the
penalty, and for my own sake, that was the last straw. And I LOVE the Saints. Hard to imagine doing something that
counter-intuitive. Why miss football to protest a penalty against your team. I fully understand all the opinions
where people say this is a REAL problem in the league and they were warned twice and they did it anyway. Do Raiders
fans resent people thinking their team plays dirty? Do Eagles fans resent that people consider them the worst fans
in the league? It's all relative. I agree that you have to protect the pumpkins of these players WHO CHOOSE to play a
dangerous game and they do it for the money. It's all relative. I am not anti-fair play. I am anti bullying by the league
office. RIGHT OR WRONG, I resent their actions and I intend to protest.

Why I chose to make a thread on it is simple, I was frustrated by the severity of the penalty and I am a member
in good standing. I COULD do it so I DID IT. I am not looking for sympathy for me or my team.
The league can kiss my entire A$$.

Fair enough, Brad.

Stephen · 04-17-2012, 05:23 PM

Well, ESPN made sure that a lot of people will be boycotting MNF this upcoming season. Holy crap, that might be the worst MNF schedule ever. The good thing is at least I won't be dragging ass into work on Tuesday morning.

smitty81 · 06-22-2012, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen

Well, ESPN made sure that a lot of people will be boycotting MNF this upcoming season. Holy crap, that might be the worst MNF schedule ever. The good thing is at least I won't be dragging ass into work on Tuesday morning.

I'll be watching one of the games.

OLS · 06-22-2012, 07:49 AM

Kanye West says the NFL hates black people.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-den...0948--nfl.html

timj219 · 06-22-2012, 08:03 AM

The punishment was appropriate because the crime was aimed straight at the pockets of the other owners. Put yourself in the shoes of an owner who just signed Aaron Rodgers to a multiyear deal that includes $35 million in guaranteed money. Now another team gives a linebacker a bonus of a few 10s of thousands of dollars to injure Rodgers and his career is over. Not only are you out the $35 million but your team just went from perennial playoff contender to also-ran. Ticket sales, sponsorship deals, merchandising right in the toilet.

The Saints bounty program was a serious threat to the profitablility of every team in the league and they're lucky the penalty was no worse.

icehog3 · 09-09-2012, 09:41 PM

So they reinstated the players, Brad, is the boycott over?

04-12-2012, 06:17 AM	#1
Blak Smyth Think Blue! Join Date: Jun 2011 First Name: SD Location: THE WOOD Posts: 8,486 Trading: (52)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 I am going to be watching the NFL this year more than I have in the last few years. It is an exciting time to be a Redskins fan! __________________ SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

04-12-2012, 07:26 AM	#5
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 I would also like to answer in one fell swoop, everyone who has basically characterized me as having a hissy fit over this judgement. Some have even tried to do it gently as if it changes what they are implying. I am boycotting the NFL in 2012. Nowhere in any of my posts have I encouraged others to join my cause or share my opinion. Nowhere in any of my posts have I ever inferred that I think I am going to hurt the NFL by boycotting it. Nowhere in any of my posts have I inferred that I feel I am going to incur some kind of personal, emotional loss by missing games. Like I said early on, when I thought the NBA was becoming basically pro wrestling with a ball, and that they were marketing themselves like they wanted thugs and gang-bangers for their audience, it was clear to me that they did not want me as a fan I left them behind and never gave them a second look. If I do this to the NFL too, it will be because I felt they came down too hard on my team. And lastly, if people then say "Well then what's the point of your post if you don't care who knows, who cares about or who is hurt by your boycott?" And I say to that, have you READ some of the posts we get here?? There is one that basically asks people to tell us all what the most expensive thing they ever bought was. Last edited by OLS; 04-12-2012 at 07:32 AM.

04-12-2012, 09:08 AM	#6
Wanger Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 Some pretty strong opinions here. I'll voice mine now, too. There's a few issues here. Had the Saints stopped when they were told to, this would be a non issue. They were told to stop, and they didn't, then there was the lie and coverup. Additionally, there is all of the evidence that the league had against them. Whatever the documentation of the program is (e-mails, etc.), too. There's obviously no precedent for a team doing anything like this and being punished, so that's one of the big problems. IMO, they were slapped on the wrist a couple times, already, when the league told them to knock the $hit off. They kept doing it, showing a lack of respect for the league and their authority. What else were they to do? They had to mete out a punishment severe enough to let the team (and the rest of the league) that they mean what they say, and if you don't follow the rules, you're going to pay a hefty price. Was it too steep? Obviously to you, it was. Were it to happen to the Vikings, I'd say flat out fire the coach and GM, and let them deal with the suspension when they're out of work, or when (if anyone would hire them again) someone else decides to hire them. They knew the rules, and were reminded of them, but still went around it. IMO, it's much like the "lack of institutional control" charge that college programs deal with when an assistant and/or coach is violating rules, and the AD gets their hand slapped with that. Now, did they end anyone's career? I don't know, honestly, but there was the intent to injure opposing players. I played enough football to know the brutality of it. At the same time, you weren't out there trying to cause an injury that could potentially end someone's playing days/career. With the knowledge of what concussions have done to some former players (Al Toon and Merril Hoge come to mind right away), going after someone's head in this day and age is beyond not cool. A coach who condones that, and a player who does that, too, is not someone I'd want to play for or with. The fact that Williams didn't care if they hit someone after the whistle (which I believe the tape that I've heard states) implies a disregard for clean play. Play to the whistle, and help your opponent up, not beyond it. As for just knocking a player out for the game goes...well, that one has been debated a lot. Yes, these athletes have a lot better body control than your average Joe, but at the same time, there aren't many physics majors out there who know just the level of force to apply to cause a "minor" injury vs a "major" one. I think the NFL's hands were tied a bit in regards to the punishment they handed out. They are being sued for not doing enough to protect the players' safety, especially in regards to concussions. Handing out a punishment like that says that they're serious about it, and want to protect the players. It serves multiple purposes here, to show they want to protect players, and to serve notice to anyone else who thinks they can get around the rules that if they are caught, they will be punished severely.

04-12-2012, 01:39 PM	#7
Texan in Mexico Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Travis Location: Puerto Morelos, Mexico Posts: 958 Trading: (0)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 OLS - I believe I understand your statement and I agree with you. You are not looking for a pity party or to have us join forces with you. Thankfully you live in a country where you can voice your opinion and this Forum has always been a place where we respect each other's opinions. Unfortunately, as they are dealing with billions of dollars of annual revenues and pending lawsuits, hypocrisy raised its head for the good of the majority. As mentioned above, if the hammer didn't drop it would have been a boon for existing litigation. Again, I agree with you up to the Martin reference, IMHO it is too soon for that joke. Posted via Mobile Device

04-12-2012, 08:27 PM	#8
Starscream Knowhutimean, Vern? Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andy Location: In a little town somewhere in the USA Posts: 10,237 Trading: (4)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 Brad, I enjoy your posts and your presence here, so I'm going to be honest here, no offense intended. I think this thread that you have created have been similar to a few threads that I have created here, especially in the sports section. In the past, I have made a judgement and a decision and I posted it here looking for acceptance, yet there was no acceptance by the members here at CA. I still firmly stand behind my thoughts, opinions, and decisions, even if the majority here say I am wrong. I don't think that you created this thread for the sole purpose of looking for acceptance in your decision, but deep down, maybe even subconsciously, you created this thread looking for someone to back you and agree with you. It didn't happen, and it's ok. You made a decision, you can back it and at the end of the day, you can still live with yourself and accept it. That's a good thing. I may not agree with you entirely on this subject, although I do see where you're coming from, and I respect your decision. I may be way off base here, but this thread reminds me of a few that I have started over the years. No harm, no foul either way. At the end of the day, we here are ALL friends and BOTls, and whether or not everyone agrees with you or not, we still can respect your decision. __________________ Insert quote here.

04-13-2012, 08:14 AM	#9
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 I respect your opinion starscream, but no, I really just put it up there to let people know that I was pissed off about the penalty, and for my own sake, that was the last straw. And I LOVE the Saints. Hard to imagine doing something that counter-intuitive. Why miss football to protest a penalty against your team. I fully understand all the opinions where people say this is a REAL problem in the league and they were warned twice and they did it anyway. Do Raiders fans resent people thinking their team plays dirty? Do Eagles fans resent that people consider them the worst fans in the league? It's all relative. I agree that you have to protect the pumpkins of these players WHO CHOOSE to play a dangerous game and they do it for the money. It's all relative. I am not anti-fair play. I am anti bullying by the league office. RIGHT OR WRONG, I resent their actions and I intend to protest. Why I chose to make a thread on it is simple, I was frustrated by the severity of the penalty and I am a member in good standing. I COULD do it so I DID IT. I am not looking for sympathy for me or my team. The league can kiss my entire A$$.

04-17-2012, 05:23 PM	#11
Stephen Sultan of Cigars Join Date: Jan 2011 First Name: Stephen Location: Where the Pony Express began and Jesse James ended. Posts: 1,582 Trading: (18)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 Well, ESPN made sure that a lot of people will be boycotting MNF this upcoming season. Holy crap, that might be the worst MNF schedule ever. The good thing is at least I won't be dragging ass into work on Tuesday morning.

06-22-2012, 07:49 AM	#13
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 Kanye West says the NFL hates black people. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-den...0948--nfl.html

06-22-2012, 08:03 AM	#14
timj219 Feeling at Home Join Date: Jun 2010 First Name: Tim Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 699 Trading: (15)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 The punishment was appropriate because the crime was aimed straight at the pockets of the other owners. Put yourself in the shoes of an owner who just signed Aaron Rodgers to a multiyear deal that includes $35 million in guaranteed money. Now another team gives a linebacker a bonus of a few 10s of thousands of dollars to injure Rodgers and his career is over. Not only are you out the $35 million but your team just went from perennial playoff contender to also-ran. Ticket sales, sponsorship deals, merchandising right in the toilet. The Saints bounty program was a serious threat to the profitablility of every team in the league and they're lucky the penalty was no worse. __________________ "All this of Pot and Potter - Tell me then, Who is the Potter, pray, and who the Pot?" Omar Khayyam

09-09-2012, 09:41 PM	#15
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 72,263 Trading: (60)	Re: Boycotting the NFL in 2012 So they reinstated the players, Brad, is the boycott over? __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!