Beer Prices v. Wine Prices

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

You're kidding, right?

Yes, he was. Note the smiley.

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Yes, he was. Note the smiley.

Critical reading is a lost art Greg,

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

My take on your POVs are based on you calling others snobs only because they prefer wine over beer.

Please point out where Vic called anyone a snob. I missed it.

[VirtualSmitty]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

I'll go and pick out a non-Cohiba to smoke on a deck, its nice outside... And while I am at it, pop open an $18 bottle of wine which I do consider great (friend of mine makes it). To edukat and rephine my pallet...

Good idea, maybe it will help you chill out

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Bud was still a great example, IMO, to show that even when given a CHOICE and (lower) price of competing products, people PREFER to buy Bud, to THEM it is WORLD CLASS.

But how many Bud drinkers have ever actually educated their pallets, tried and given a real honest evaluation to well made craft beer, and consiously decided "nope, I prefer Bud?" I suspect relatively few. I think the comparison of Bud to high production wine or machine made cigars is apt. There are times when smoking a Muniemaker is fitting, as is drinking box wine. But very few educated pallets would insist that either of these are better than, say, AF Hemingways or a Fontodi Colli della Toscana. (Or a Famous Nic 3 or a Columbus Crest Cab, both of which are really a nice values and not a great deal more than the Muniemaker/box wine examples.)

My opinion is not that the Bud lovers really love Bud so much, it's that they don't know any better. In many ways it's no different than the "reverse snobbery" that occurs in the wine community or the cigar community.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BlackDog

But how many Bud drinkers have ever actually educated their pallets, tried and given a real honest evaluation to well made craft beer, and consiously decided "nope, I prefer Bud?" I suspect relatively few. I think the comparison of Bud to high production wine or machine made cigars is apt. There are times when smoking a Muniemaker is fitting, as is drinking box wine. But very few educated pallets would insist that either of these are better than, say, AF Hemingways or a Fontodi Colli della Toscana. (Or a Famous Nic 3 or a Columbus Crest Cab, both of which are really a nice values and not a great deal more than the Muniemaker/box wine examples.)

My opinion is not that the Bud lovers really love Bud so much, it's that they don't know any better. In many ways it's no different than the "reverse snobbery" that occurs in the wine community or the cigar community.

I'm an unashamed bud drinker who also appreciates really "good" beer as well. I regularly drink Bells, Goose Island, Founders, Dogfishhead, Guinness, etc. My "regular" beer is Sam Adams (I know its not a craft beer, but its a good mass production beer). For my birthday next week, my wife is taking me to a stout tasting at a local Irish pub because she knows how much I enjoy them. And I always have a few buds on hand. Its partly because I grew up watching my dad and uncles drink it and I have a soft spot for it. But I also find it refreshing from time to time. Its crisp, clean, reliable and affordable. I'm about to throw some steaks on the grill for dinner and this thread has made me thirsty for one. So I'm going to drink it. And I'm going to enjoy it. It won't be legendary, it won't be complex, but it will be satisfying, which is all I'm looking for on this one. So to all you haters.

[T.G]

mmmmm cow tongue aspic....

Can I get that on dark rye with coarse brown mustard and sliced tomatoes and extra pickles on the side?

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by stevieray

what exactly is "world class"? and who gets to decide that ?

My point, exactly, Sir.

Originally Posted by T.G

mmmmm cow tongue aspic....

Can I get that on dark rye with coarse brown mustard and sliced tomatoes and extra pickles on the side?

I wonder if the OP would agree with you and me on this, I actually bet most here would consider this inedible. So, by the OP's definition, we must be food snobs? Or wait, maybe he is since this is not world class food?

I am really disappointed that someone could make an accusation of "snobbery" while displaying all the signs of it himself. Have no idea how subjective taste is all of a sudden equated to objective (if HE likes it, then it MUST be world class). I just don't get this "logic".

TASTE PREFERENCE IS SUBJECTIVE

[icehog3]

I humbly apologize for comparing Anheuser-Busch products to Cremosas. Obviously Budweiser is a huge seller, and appeals to a huge market. I might opine it appeals to people who enjoy the taste of goat urine, but that is not the point.

Honestly, I get the point you are making, and while I don't necessarily agree, I do see where you are coming from Greg,

[icehog3]

I absolutely agree that taste is subjective in every sense, but I still don't think that the point Vic is trying to make in the OP s what is now being debated.

The question is why would someone hesitate to spend $14 on a high end 6-pack of beer but gladly shell that out for a low end bottle of wine?

[bscottskangum]

Originally Posted by icehog3

The question is why would someone hesitate to spend $14 on a high end 6-pack of beer but gladly shell that out for a low end bottle of wine?

This thread is so out of control lol. I'll add my

I love wine and I love beer, I go to wine festivals and I go to beer festivals, and I have a wine rack full of Virginia wines and a fridge full of beer. I don't think I own a bottle of wine right now that cost more than $25, but I have sampled everything I have at Virginia wineries and bought ones that I like.

It's a very simple answer for me about why I buy the wine, I enjoy it. Beer and wine are different after all and I drink whatever I'm in the mood for. I think that is justification enough, people do it because they like the taste/experience.

A side note here, being a cheaply priced wine doesn't mean it's bad....though I will say it is easier for me to find something cheap that I like if I go to different wineries and sample rather than buying something blind off the shelf.

If your interested, the weirdest bottle of wine I own had Jalapenos put in the barrel while fermenting, it definitely picked up the flavor. I don't know if I will ever drink it, but if the mood strikes..... . And no I usually don't go for the gimmicky wines, I like more traditional blends, but I couldn't pass that up.

[T.G]

Originally Posted by icehog3

The question is why would someone hesitate to spend $14 on a high end 6-pack of beer but gladly shell that out for a low end bottle of wine?

Because beer is viewed as a lower cost beverage, and generally speaking, it is. Cost and availability of ingredients and production is totally different for beer versus wine.

Ultimately, it's apples and oranges, it's really not a fair comparison. To compare a $14 6-pack of high-end beer to wine, one needs to find the appropriate comparison point, which, honestly, I'm not sure where that is, probably around $35-40 even 50, maybe as high as $60 or 70.

Not to say that there aren't some great $14 wines, but there are also some great $6-7 beers out there. And some bad $14 beers and some absolute crap wines for $14. Cost is not always a determining factor, but unfortunately, for a lot of public perception, price is sometimes wrongly equated to quality.

[JE3146]

Originally Posted by T.G

Because beer is viewed as a lower cost beverage, and generally speaking, it is. Cost and availability of ingredients and production is totally different for beer versus wine.

Ultimately, it's apples and oranges, it's really not a fair comparison. To compare a $14 6-pack of high-end beer to wine, one needs to find the appropriate comparison point, which, honestly, I'm not sure where that is, probably around $35-40 even 50, maybe as high as $60 or 70.

Not to say that there aren't some great $14 wines, but there are also some great $6-7 beers out there. And some bad $14 beers and some absolute crap wines for $14. Cost is not always a determining factor, but unfortunately, for a lot of public perception, price is sometimes wrongly equated to quality.

Yup.

Take for example my favorite brand of beer. Ninkasi out of Eugene OR. Why do I like it? It's cheap GOOD beer. 3.99 / 22 oz bottle. In fact it's one of the best bangs for the buck I've ever found in beer. And it's made in state to boot. I know some people who won't even touch it because it's "too cheap."


In response to the OP, I draw the line at 1$ / ounce. Most I've ever spent on a 22 oz bottle is 21.49, and the most i've spent on a 12 oz bottle is 11.49. I rarely do that, and more times than not it's a special or limited release and curiosity gets the better of me.

In OR though, craft beer is a way of life. We are SNOBs (Supporters of Native Oregon Beer)


As for wines, my palette isn't nearly developed enough in that hobby to pick out "bad from good." I just know styles and what I like in that regard. When it comes to brands, I usually just sample those in my price range and find ones I enjoy drinking. As for whether or not they're "good" by someone else's standards isn't a care of mine as my opinion is the ultimate deciding factor

I approach things that way with beer, with wine, with food, and even cigars.

Originally Posted by icehog3

I absolutely agree that taste is subjective in every sense, but I still don't think that the point Vic is trying to make in the OP s what is now being debated.

The question is why would someone hesitate to spend $14 on a high end 6-pack of beer but gladly shell that out for a low end bottle of wine?

Thank You Tom! Exactly.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by icehog3

The question is why would someone hesitate to spend $14 on a high end 6-pack of beer but gladly shell that out for a low end bottle of wine?

That's easy because they don't enjoy beer enough to spend $14 on a 6 pack.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

That's easy because they don't enjoy beer enough to spend $14 on a 6 pack.

Could be exactly that for some.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by icehog3

The question is why would someone hesitate to spend $14 on a high end 6-pack of beer but gladly shell that out for a low end bottle of wine?

I'll take a wild stab here, because they like WINE?


Will we ever find out what constitutes a great bottle of wine for the OP? (Hint, its only my THIRD attempt now).

[Loon]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

I'll take a wild stab here, because they like WINE?


Will we ever find out what constitutes a great bottle of wine for the OP? (Hint, its only my THIRD attempt now).

[icehog3]

Barry, I didn't mean to imply that there aren't good bottles of wine that are inexpensive...I just used the context to try to clarify Vic's original question. I have had lots of great wine for under $20 a bottle as well.

[bscottskangum]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Barry, I didn't mean to imply that there aren't good bottles of wine that are inexpensive...I just used the context to try to clarify Vic's original question. I have had lots of great wine for under $20 a bottle as well.

I realize it was a clarification of the question, I quoted you since you were the easiest to get to .... or should I say that I quoted you because your clarification was concise and to the point