I'm done with FOX.

To those that say that its harmless comedy and that the right to speech should override all others I say this:

While I will defend to the death your right to free speech, I will not defend you against the consequences of your speech. There should not be journalistic immunity from saying your thoughts. If these people want to be considered journalists, or comedians, and if journalism wants to paint itself in the colours of a professional body, then they have to set and live up to a code of ethics that includes concepts of integrity and accountability. If I were so drole, so unprofessional in my conduct while serving the public then my credentials would be yanked in a heartbeat.

If these clowns want to say their statements were "taken out of context" or that freedom of speech should protect them from their own idiocy then I say take them to task as to why these things should be considered.

Their freedom of speech is only a right because of the sacrifices put forth by those "fighting few", it is earned for them through the work and tragedy of others. For, in many ways, it is a privelege otherwise and should be marched out to defend rediculousness ever so delicately.

While they should not be barred from spouting their insensitive crass BS, their reputation, careers and legitimacy should be impacted by the quality and accuracy of their words.

Can the buggers

[GWN]

Originally Posted by Cyanide

if journalism wants to paint itself in the colours of a professional body, then they have to set and live up to a code of ethics that includes concepts of integrity and accountability.

We have such a code and live by or face sanctions, both from our readers (or viewers) and the legal system. Those guys on FOX aren't journalists. They're as far from journalism as you can get.

True true true

But, if they want to parade around in the drapes of a professional body (in essence they are "playing the part" of journalists, although loosely) then they either have to step up and work within those codes or face "the consequences". Practicing medicine without a license is a felony, I am sure that doing the equivalency within law is probably also illegal. There should be similar considerations then within journalism.


But I think I will stop before I start sounding like a communistic crack-pot (oooops, some would say I am already there)

Originally Posted by GWN

We have such a code and live by or face sanctions, both from our readers (or viewers) and the legal system. Those guys on FOX aren't journalists. They're as far from journalism as you can get.

[Seanohue]

Do what I do; don't watch TV. I think it's been 9 months since I've seen a live TV program.

Originally Posted by GWN

We have such a code and live by or face sanctions, both from our readers (or viewers) and the legal system. Those guys on FOX aren't journalists. They're as far from journalism as you can get.

Are you talking about FOX News as a whole, or just Red Eye?

[GWN]

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

Are you talking about FOX News as a whole, or just Red Eye?

Red Eye. Haven't seen a standard newscast on FOX.

Originally Posted by GWN

Red Eye. Haven't seen a standard newscast on FOX.

I see. I agree that Red Eye doesnt have real journalism. I totally agree that the origninal statement made on Red Eye was completely BS. Should they be taken off the air? I dont think so. The viewer should control that. Should you stop watching FOX because of it? Thats your choice. But I think there is a reason that FOX News leads all other news channels.

[spectrrr]

Originally Posted by Cyanide

While they should not be barred from spouting their insensitive crass BS, their reputation, careers and legitimacy should be impacted by the quality and accuracy of their words.

Agreed, but now you're talking about a deep rooted societal and ethical problem at the core of well.... TOO MANY @#^#$&%@$#%!@ people in this society today... I fear we may have already trashed ourselves beyond ethical repair

I don't think more than 15 people knew Red Eye existed before this. If now 45 people watch it then they have tippled their audience. A total success story.

[RBOrrell]

I am deeply offended by not just this particular episode, but the more deeply rooted stereotypes and ignorances that are the real reason that they said these things in the first place. While I don't want to appear hypocritical (and in no way am I trying to accuse any BOTL here), in my experiences, the "worldlyness" of most citizens of the USA is below that of most other countries. Why is that? They don't have to be because they are as powerful as they are. However, the ignorance of Canada (or any other country for that manner) bites them once in a while like this particular show.

I have no idea who these 5 people are. I have never heard of them, except I recall the "comedian" was on Last Comic Standing in the past, I guess that makes him an expert in international affairs. They clearly show that they have no idea of this country, and they are no better than the people you see driving across the border in July with skis strapped to their cars looking for the ski hills!

The sad thing is, we really can't do anything about it. A "boycott" of Fox or it's advertisers would not be effective because technically, the Canadian audience is not part of their demographic and our dollars are not a factor. I don't watch any Fox shows anyways, there is nothing there worth watching (cartoons? give me a break).

I get sick and tired of watching the sterotypes of this country portrayed on US-based TV.

This country has a long history of participation in international military actions. We were participants in the Boer War and then both World Wars - way before the US in both cases I may add - Korea, the first Gulf war and lately Afghanistan. How many Americans know about the Canadians that enlisted, fought and died in the 1960's and 1970's in Vietnam? We invented the PeaceKeeping arm of the UN and spent many years doing just that. We are a country of less than 30 million people. At the end of WW II, we had the 4th largest navy in the world. We do not shy away from a fight - as long as it's justified!

The more I think about these jerks on Fox the angrier I get. I would suggest to anyone to pick up a book on Canadian history, I think you would be surprised at what you read.

[ActionAndy]

Originally Posted by RBOrrell

I am deeply offended by not just this particular episode, but the more deeply rooted stereotypes and ignorances that are the real reason that they said these things in the first place. While I don't want to appear hypocritical (and in no way am I trying to accuse any BOTL here), in my experiences, the "worldlyness" of most citizens of the USA is below that of most other countries. Why is that? They don't have to be because they are as powerful as they are. However, the ignorance of Canada (or any other country for that manner) bites them once in a while like this particular show.

I have no idea who these 5 people are. I have never heard of them, except I recall the "comedian" was on Last Comic Standing in the past, I guess that makes him an expert in international affairs. They clearly show that they have no idea of this country, and they are no better than the people you see driving across the border in July with skis strapped to their cars looking for the ski hills!

The sad thing is, we really can't do anything about it. A "boycott" of Fox or it's advertisers would not be effective because technically, the Canadian audience is not part of their demographic and our dollars are not a factor. I don't watch any Fox shows anyways, there is nothing there worth watching (cartoons? give me a break).

I get sick and tired of watching the sterotypes of this country portrayed on US-based TV.

This country has a long history of participation in international military actions. We were participants in the Boer War and then both World Wars - way before the US in both cases I may add - Korea, the first Gulf war and lately Afghanistan. How many Americans know about the Canadians that enlisted, fought and died in the 1960's and 1970's in Vietnam? We invented the PeaceKeeping arm of the UN and spent many years doing just that. We are a country of less than 30 million people. At the end of WW II, we had the 4th largest navy in the world. We do not shy away from a fight - as long as it's justified!

The more I think about these jerks on Fox the angrier I get. I would suggest to anyone to pick up a book on Canadian history, I think you would be surprised at what you read.

Who cares. You didn't know who the comedians were, they weren't on your radar. You're a grown man. Your country is full of grown men. So act like it and ignore idiots.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by ActionAndy

Who cares. You didn't know who the comedians were, they weren't on your radar. You're a grown man. Your country is full of grown men. So act like it and ignore idiots.

Let's keep the personal comments toward Asylum members out of the discussion here.

[RBOrrell]

Originally Posted by ActionAndy

Who cares. You didn't know who the comedians were, they weren't on your radar. You're a grown man. Your country is full of grown men. So act like it and ignore idiots.

Thanks you for such an excellent post. You're right, they were not on my radar, and why should a statement about a Canadian Armed Forces General be on theirs? It's attitudes like those portrayed on the show in question and your attitude here, explains why the US is not held in the highest regard around the world.

[King James]

Originally Posted by RBOrrell

Thanks you for such an excellent post. You're right, they were not on my radar, and why should a statement about a Canadian Armed Forces General be on theirs? It's attitudes like those portrayed on the show in question and your attitude here, explains why the US is not held in the highest regard around the world.

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Let's keep the personal comments toward Asylum members out of the discussion here.

Originally Posted by RBOrrell

Thanks you for such an excellent post. You're right, they were not on my radar, and why should a statement about a Canadian Armed Forces General be on theirs? It's attitudes like those portrayed on the show in question and your attitude here, explains why the US is not held in the highest regard around the world.

AS compared to France, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Mexico, Italy, Syria, China, Pakistan, Columbia, Egypt, Indonesia, etc.

I'm not losing any sleep.

[ActionAndy]

Originally Posted by RBOrrell

Thanks you for such an excellent post. You're right, they were not on my radar, and why should a statement about a Canadian Armed Forces General be on theirs? It's attitudes like those portrayed on the show in question and your attitude here, explains why the US is not held in the highest regard around the world.

LOL, I now represent the United States? Alright, let me clarify: I was not trying to insult you. I'm trying to say this: Don't let people that don't matter matter. Getting deeply offended by words gives the speaker power. Do not give him that power by reacting.

To further clarify, I think Canadians are perfectly fine. I've never met a bad Canadian (though most of my experiences in Canada involved strippers, bartenders, etc.) I think anyone serving their country (i.e Candian military) is brave and honorable: which is exactly why I don't think it's necessary to be offended on their behalf.

My point was that I don't think you should give these guys and their words power over your day. Don't let them wreck your day man, by knowing you're on the side of right you should be secure.

I wouldn't take these comedians seriously. We have top politicians, even presidential candidates call our soldiers lazy, stupid losers who had no future so they joined the military. This is how Jon Stewart portrayed them in order to bash Bush. Al Franken has done the same. One Congressman claimed our Marines were GUILTY of MURDER and the hadn't even been tried! Our leading newspapers propagate these stereotypes. These guys on Red Eye were cracking jokes about soldiers asking for time off. That is pretty funny. They did take it too far, but there are far worse things, especially in Canada, to worry about than some almost nonexistent comedians who no one had ever heard about before.

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I wouldn't take these comedians seriously. We have top politicians, even presidential candidates call our soldiers lazy, stupid losers who had no future so they joined the military. This is how Jon Stewart portrayed them in order to bash Bush. Al Franken has done the same. One Congressman claimed our Marines were GUILTY of MURDER and the hadn't even been tried! Our leading newspapers propagate these stereotypes. These guys on Red Eye were cracking jokes about soldiers asking for time off. That is pretty funny. They did take it too far, but there are far worse things, especially in Canada, to worry about than some almost nonexistent comedians who no one had ever heard about before.

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I wouldn't take these comedians seriously. We have top politicians, even presidential candidates call our soldiers lazy, stupid losers who had no future so they joined the military. This is how Jon Stewart portrayed them in order to bash Bush. Al Franken has done the same. One Congressman claimed our Marines were GUILTY of MURDER and the hadn't even been tried! Our leading newspapers propagate these stereotypes. These guys on Red Eye were cracking jokes about soldiers asking for time off. That is pretty funny. They did take it too far, but there are far worse things, especially in Canada, to worry about than some almost nonexistent comedians who no one had ever heard about before.

+1.

Couldn't have said it any better.

BTW, to the Canadians and other allies, Thanks for being there for your friends.

Originally Posted by zonedar

BTW, to the Canadians and other allies, Thanks for being there for your friends.

+1
Thanks