Motorcyclists and non-riders , I would like opinions on this story

[newcigarz]

I found another video of just the end, but with sound.
he says twice to the rider to get off the motorcycle, and the third time he says get off the motorcycle, State Police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF...eature=related

Originally Posted by newcigarz

I found another video of just the end, but with sound.
he says twice to the rider to get off the motorcycle, and the third time he says get off the motorcycle, State Police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF...eature=related

the second video Tony just got of amplifies in my mind what a douchebag the rider is. Apparently the first time he posted the entire video, and must not have liked some of the comments directed at him.

Solution:

Just post another video with only the last 20 or so seconds, where he is just sitting there looking like he's minding his own business and someone pulls a gun on him.


Quote: " I got pulled over for speeding and the cop decided to pull out his sidearm... Thought I'd share it. "

Really? Is that what happenned, you got pulled over for speeding and some PO pulled a gun on you?

What a tool. This guy is not the sharpest tool in the shed, apparently.

[newcigarz]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

What a tool. This guy is not the sharpest tool in the shed, apparently.

Yeah and some of the comments on youtube are scary.

[G G]

Originally Posted by LasciviousXXX

All good and valid points made. My only issue is I don't think we're being given the whole story. Obviously the writer of the article is putting a nice big SLANT on this story and the fact that he feels Officers should be targeting "hippies" and "foreigners" makes me question his credibility even more.

I would love the full story as the way its written now leaves me with more questions than answers.

I agree.

[Neuromancer]

See the problem here? Police have a nearly unlimited ability to break the law and **** with us. People who pull wheelies and excessively speed through traffic make them want to **** with us. It's guys like Graber that we have to blame for police aggressively targeting motorcyclists instead of, say, hippies or foreigners. While we wish we lived in a world where police weren't little more than gun-toting thugs, we don't. Ride responsibly, at least when other people are around, and less of us will get the Uhler treatment. Ok?

Here's how an old bike riding outlaw looks at this...first of the rider broke some traffic laws...so what? That warrents a ticket...not an attack of a maniacal gun waving thug-cop...the cop could have stepped out of his car after blocking the rider then identified himself as a LEO and asked the guy to get off the bike rather then running up waving a gun and grabbing the bike which he had no right to do...what he had business to do was to call a marked car to stop the biker not cut him off and start waving a gun in his face yelling at him to get off the bike...I'd tape that too...at that point you have no idea the guys a cop...especially considering he's handling this in the worst possible way he could handle it...furthermore, they were out in public...never before heard where you can't video something or take a picture in public...did it catch the cop acting like a wild man? Yep...and posting on YouTube? After that kind of treatment I'd want the world to know what the cops are pulling...I've already been in one showdown with a bunch of gun-waving cop-thugs, and you have no idea how overboard they go...hell, when I was in the middle of it I called the news stations so if the cops shot me or anything at least the truth would get out...and I was unarmed when this was going down...all these f'ing cops have Wyatt Earp complexes these days and don't feel they have to obey the laws they're sworn to protect...I hope the rider gets himself a good attorney and sues those jackasses for violation of his civil rights, including the reason-less raiding of his house and confiscation of his computer...for that matter sue the judge who handed out such a groundless warrent too...the cops there have acted like the jack-booted thugs they are...get a civil rights attorney to hand them a smack-down...

[1badhog07]

Personally i think both of them are in the wrong.this so called kid gives legitamate bikers a bad rap,and i think too many cops head swells up when they get a badge and gun.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

an attack of a maniacal gun waving thug-cop...

running up waving a gun and grabbing the bike which he had no right to do...

waving a gun in his face yelling at him to get off the bike

did it catch the cop acting like a wild man? Yep

I've already been in one showdown with a bunch of gun-waving cop-thugs,

all these f'ing cops have Wyatt Earp complexes these days and don't feel they have to obey the laws they're sworn to protect

violation of his civil rights

the cops there have acted like the jack-booted thugs they are...

I must have watched a different video than you watched, Marc.

Originally Posted by 1badhog07

i think too many cops head swells up when they get a badge and gun.

How are you NOT stereotyping? That is akin to me saying "I think too many truckers become amphetamine junkies and serial killers".

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I must have watched a different video than you watched, Marc.

Video or no video, I've already been on the barrel end of a cops gun and I was unarmed and pretty defenseless, considering I'm 63 and walk with a cane...they have a Wyat Earp complex...the cop had no business even pulling his gun as he did for traffic stop even if the rider was going like a bat out of hell...pull out a ticket book fine, and as far as pulling out the badge verses gun concept, he was after a guy on a crotch rocket...there was no indication from anything that the cop needed to have his gun out even for one second and that makes him wrong...and compounding the situation by raiding the guy's house is double wrong...I hope he gets a good attorney and sues their asses off...

[SeanGAR]

Cops are shot and killed at routine traffic stops all the time. This was a stop of somebody not just breaking a traffic law, but endangering the lives of others around them. The moron on the bike has already proven that he does not care about other people; the officer here did the smart thing, pull your weapon, have it at ready, and holster it when the situation is under control.

The punk on the motorcycle needs a good beating in my opinion.

[1badhog07]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I must have watched a different video than you watched, Marc.



How are you NOT stereotyping? That is akin to me saying "I think too many truckers become amphetamine junkies and serial killers".

That is because some truckers are,speed junkies and etc,well tom just leave it that.we can go on back and forth about this..

[Nick]

5-0 could have pulled his badge just as easily as his gun. He needs to remember that he's in street clothes and not be pulling guns in these situations.

[jitzy]

Originally Posted by Nick

5-0 could have pulled his badge just as easily as his gun. He needs to remember that he's in street clothes and not be pulling guns in these situations.

sometimes pulling that shield first before the gun could mean life or death.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by 1badhog07

Personally i think both of them are in the wrong.this so called kid gives legitamate bikers a bad rap,and i think too many cops head swells up when they get a badge and gun.

How does it seem to you that this guy's head is swollen? Nice stereotyping.

Originally Posted by Nick

5-0 could have pulled his badge just as easily as his gun. He needs to remember that he's in street clothes and not be pulling guns in these situations.

Originally Posted by jitzy;831966[B

]sometimes pulling that shield first before the gun could mean life or death[/b].

Exactly, jitzy....and those who haven't lived that reality aren't really credible when commenting on what "5-0" should or shouldn't do.

[1badhog07]

Originally Posted by icehog3

How does it seem to you that this guy's head is swollen? Nice stereotyping.





Exactly, jitzy....and those who haven't lived that reality aren't really credible when commenting on what "5-0" should or shouldn't do.

well tom how do you figure i am sterotyping,as a over-the-road truck driver for over 14 years,i have seen first hand how some cops and dps carry there attitude on there shoulders.NO i am not saying all law enforcement are bad,in fact many of them have went out of there way to help me out when i broke down,and i have a few law enforcement friends here in laredo,so i can only comment on my experiences...

[jitzy]

Originally Posted by 1badhog07

well tom how do you figure i am sterotyping

That was just as much a stereotype as saying "to many" black people steal or "to many" irish guys are drunks thats why its called stereotyping. Look I don't think you hate all cops but your statement was wrong

[G G]

Originally Posted by jitzy

sometimes pulling that shield first before the gun could mean life or death.

Dang, you beat me to it, that's what I was thinking as I was reading your post. I am not a LEO but I really hate to see the news anymore when the Police are involved in pulling a gun or God forbid having to actually use it. You always see all the folks in the neighborhood commenting on the news that they shouldn't have used force blah blah blah. It's very easy for me to sit here and say what they should have done, but like Tom points out, till you been there, you don't have an appreciation for what these guys have to go through. Just remember most of them have family that they want to get back home to in one piece when the shift is over.

[floydpink]

Greg,

I'll bet as an EMT, you've seen your fair share of motorcyclists scraped off the road.

I have a friend who, ironically, is nicknamed "Lucky". He has been hit 3 times, all of which were not his fault and has two stickers on the windshield of his Heritage Softail.

One says, "crippled old biker bastards", and the second, "It's not the destination, it's the journey", the second I really like and try to practice.

He recently had a helicopter ride to the hospital trauma unit and was hit by an uninsured motorist and has mounting medical bills and a reconstructed shoulder.


At those speeds, you have zero chances of surviving or reacting and will likely take out someone else.



Slow down dude, enjoy the scenery.

[G G]

Originally Posted by floydpink

Greg,

I'll bet as an EMT, you've seen your fair share of motorcyclists scraped off the road.

A few. I ride myself, but not at those speeds. I have never had a gun pulled on me by a police officer either, or even stopped while riding. I guess the crazy cops just don't see that much value in pulling over someone who mostly obeys the traffic laws.

[jitzy]

As a LEO I'll say this, The cop had no Idea why this guy took so long to pull over and yes that was a long time just think how far you could travel in just 30 seconds. Most reasonable people pull right over and don't run from the cops so to the cop he may have been wondering why is this guy running maybe he's got a gun of his own. Lets put it like this neither the cop or the motorcycle rider had dinner together the night before and DO NOT KNOW each other. When the officer saw the situation was safe he holstered his weapon no harm no foul. As for the warrant and other stuff it just sounds like revenge to me.

[neoflex]

For anyone wondering, here is the vid with audio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF...layer_embedded and the cop clearly does not announce he is a cop until much later after his firearm is drawn. I try not to ride too crazy although on an empty country road I may speed a bit and be a bit of a hooligan but would never attempt this on a freeway or crowded street or a street with any other traffic but had this been me after watching the vid with audio, I prob would have done my best to haul ass out of there as I would have thought I was either being robbed or this guy was a road raged cager. I dunno, I'm not a cop and I respect the job they have to do but this guy should have clearly announced who he was as he exited the car. The fact that he didn't makes me want to think he let his emotions get the better of him. Thank god it didn't play out this way but what if the biker was a carrying a firearm with a CCW and he pulled his sidearm in defense not knowing who this guy was, it could have been an even uglier scene although even if this were the case I would probably try and run from a guy with a gun rather than pull a firearm as he would have been at a major disadvantage but what if? Not trying to say the guy on the bike was not being a douche but I think this could have been handled a little more professionally and the raid just added insult to injury.