Gun take-aways maybe? - Page 2

AAlmeter · 03-18-2009, 06:12 PM

Not to sidetrack an important topic, but here is one article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/2009031..._for_treatment

I don't see this being a matter of efficiency. If I were backed over at work by a D9 dozer and my boss told me to take care of it out of my pocket, I do believe that there would be an uproar. I'm also fairly certain that there would be an uproar if the average medicaid patient were denied. Yet they contribute very little to society...especially in comparison to our service members.

WildBlueSooner · 03-18-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Not to sidetrack an important topic, but here is one article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/2009031..._for_treatment

I don't see this being a matter of efficiency. If I were backed over at work by a D9 dozer and my boss told me to take care of it out of my pocket, I do believe that there would be an uproar. I'm also fairly certain that there would be an uproar if the average medicaid patient were denied. Yet they contribute very little to society...especially in comparison to our service members.

"private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries". You would not pay for it out of your pocket...you insurance would, just like it normally would if you were hurt! But as a democratic senator said this idea was "dead on arrival." It was an idea that was being looked into!

cricky101 · 03-18-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Not to sidetrack an important topic, but here is one article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/2009031..._for_treatment

I don't see this being a matter of efficiency. If I were backed over at work by a D9 dozer and my boss told me to take care of it out of my pocket, I do believe that there would be an uproar. I'm also fairly certain that there would be an uproar if the average medicaid patient were denied. Yet they contribute very little to society...especially in comparison to our service members.

Here's another article - (not an op-ed piece). Irrelevant now anyway, I guess. Nothing is happening. Groups spoke out against it, and the proposal is no more. That's how it should work

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/...ref=newssearch

WildBlueSooner · 03-18-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cricky101

Here's another article - (not an op-ed piece). Irrelevant now anyway, I guess. Nothing is happening. Groups spoke out against it, and the proposal is no more. That's how it should work

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/...ref=newssearch

Something actually worked like it was supposed to. Of course it was a dumb idea in the first place!

AAlmeter · 03-18-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

"private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries". You would not pay for it out of your pocket...you insurance would, just like it normally would if you were hurt! But as a democratic senator said this idea was "dead on arrival." It was an idea that was being looked into!

Again, I'd rather not sidetrack this thread.

Perhaps its just me, but I do not see how this could possibly work out for the benefit of anyone except the federal government. I am, generally, 100% in favor of privatizing anything possible.

The problem we have, however, is that these veterans WILL face discrimination when obtaining health insurance. Its convenient to write it off as the liability of evil insurance companies or even evil employers, but many people have a great deal of trouble getting health insurance...not because of evil capitalism or poor health or anything of the like. I am one of them, it simply was not available for anyone in my income range and location, regardless of price. Opening any veteran up to the possibility of becoming a "liability" to an employer or insurer because of their service is sick, regardless of which side of the political spectrum (if there is one anymore) one may be on.

There are plenty of ways for the federal government to save money. Cheaping out on veterans' benefits is not one that I will ever support.

AAlmeter · 03-18-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

Something actually worked like it was supposed to. Of course it was a dumb idea in the first place!

Excellent...back to the topic at hand

smokeyandthebandit05 · 03-18-2009, 10:07 PM

they can come try and take my guns but at the end of the day someone wont be standing

WildBlueSooner · 03-19-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smokeyandthebandit05

they can come try and take my guns but at the end of the day someone wont be standing

03-19-2009, 11:18 AM

When they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

If it happens, you can call me James Dean...

03-19-2009, 11:53 AM

If armed soldiers came to your house to confiscate you firearms would you defend your house or submit. Think about it. If you resisted you would most likely die.

WildBlueSooner · 03-19-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

If armed soldiers came to your house to confiscate you firearms would you defend your house or submit. Think about it. If you resisted you would most likely die.

I would not resist....then!

03-19-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

I would not resist....then!

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin

WildBlueSooner · 03-19-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin

You are a better man than me then! I have a family and would not die on the spot for not giving up my guns!

"Take time to deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking and go in." Napoleon

03-19-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

You are a better man than me then! I have a family and would not die on the spot for not giving up my guns!

"Take time to deliberate, but when the time for action has arrived, stop thinking and go in." Napoleon

True, just be prepared. Our founding fathers knew what threats we would face in the future both foreign and domestic.

WildBlueSooner · 03-19-2009, 12:16 PM

Darn...thought we were gonna have a QUOTE WARRRRRRRRRRRR! hahah

03-19-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

Darn...thought we were gonna have a QUOTE WARRRRRRRRRRRR! hahah

LOL! There are some very relevant quotes out there.

03-19-2009, 12:37 PM

Some people prefer a secure life of slavery.
Some prefer an insecure life of liberty.
There is also insecure slavery.
Freedom is always insecure.

03-19-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

If armed soldiers came to your house to confiscate you firearms would you defend your house or submit. Think about it. If you resisted you would most likely die.

First, I'd wonder how they found out that I had guns...

And in that scenario, if they were to shoot those who refuse to give up their guns, there would be a war before they ever made it to my door.

But since I love hypotheticals... They had better hit me with their first shot.

CBI_2 · 03-19-2009, 07:27 PM

For antone who thinks gun confiscation can't happen here check out this video. It already happened during Katrina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

WildBlueSooner · 03-19-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CBI_2

For antone who thinks gun confiscation can't happen here check out this video. It already happened during Katrina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

Good point!

03-18-2009, 06:12 PM	#21
AAlmeter F.U.B.O. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Adam Location: Buffalo Posts: 288 Trading: (0)	Re: Gun take-aways maybe? Not to sidetrack an important topic, but here is one article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/2009031..._for_treatment I don't see this being a matter of efficiency. If I were backed over at work by a D9 dozer and my boss told me to take care of it out of my pocket, I do believe that there would be an uproar. I'm also fairly certain that there would be an uproar if the average medicaid patient were denied. Yet they contribute very little to society...especially in comparison to our service members.

03-18-2009, 10:07 PM	#27
smokeyandthebandit05 Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Rich Location: Branchville Posts: 758 Trading: (1)	Re: Gun take-aways maybe? they can come try and take my guns but at the end of the day someone wont be standing __________________ MIAMI CANES 9-4 NJ DEVILS 37-21-3

03-19-2009, 11:18 AM	#29
Drat Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Gun take-aways maybe? When they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. If it happens, you can call me James Dean...

03-19-2009, 11:53 AM	#30
Tombstone Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Gun take-aways maybe? If armed soldiers came to your house to confiscate you firearms would you defend your house or submit. Think about it. If you resisted you would most likely die.

03-19-2009, 12:16 PM	#35
WildBlueSooner I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Feb 2009 First Name: James Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 3,322 Trading: (19)	Re: Gun take-aways maybe? Darn...thought we were gonna have a QUOTE WARRRRRRRRRRRR! hahah __________________ "To dilute the will to win is to destroy the purpose of the game. There is no substitute for victory"-- Douglas MacArthur

03-19-2009, 12:37 PM	#37
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Gun take-aways maybe? Some people prefer a secure life of slavery. Some prefer an insecure life of liberty. There is also insecure slavery. Freedom is always insecure.

03-19-2009, 07:27 PM	#39
CBI_2 Have My Own Room Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Paul Location: In my skin. Posts: 2,066 Trading: (0)	Re: Gun take-aways maybe? For antone who thinks gun confiscation can't happen here check out this video. It already happened during Katrina. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4 __________________ "The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants." Albert Camus Cool Cigar Themed Stuff