In your opinion which NC is closest to a CC? - Page 2

shilala · 03-26-2010, 07:50 AM

Tom and Peter are right on the money. Someone mentioned Vegeuros. Cuaba is another, that smoked fresh, tastes a lot out of the CC realm. Maybe a Mexican, Nic, inside with an Ecuadoran outside. Not so much Nicaraguan, maybe closer to Dominican. Heck, I don't know. I'm not a blender, I just pretend to be one in this thread.

pnoon · 03-26-2010, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by klipsch

Depends on what Cubans you're comparing too. I've had some aged Opus that taste like some Partagas. Personally, I feel that the only advantage that Cubans offer is price over NC's. You can get a very flavorful CC for $4-$5 Where it'll cost you $10+ for a NC that will even come close. But I feel that most CC's are one dimensional.

Interesting perspective. I find the opposite to be true.

shilala · 03-26-2010, 08:01 AM

Cuaba tastes a lot like a Te-Amo Anniversario and Te-Amo Nic Blend combined. There, I got it.

The easiest way to get the CC flavor is to fetch up some cc's, my brother.
Add Kelly to the list of guys that's right on the money, and I asked this question not so long ago myself.
The answer really is "none".
I have found some nc flavors in cc's, but they're less pronounced and really don't develop because the binder and filler take the forefront.
I enjoy my nc's more than my cc's right now, but I'm headed more and more in the cc direction. The cc's that I like have a lot of nc flavors and nuance. I think the Punch RS11 tastes a LOT like Pepin blnded stuff. I enjoy Cohiba maduros because they have a very nice sweet maduro wrapper that very much compliments the sweet insides, and I like my maduros and oscuros a LOT. Los Statos kinda tastes like a White Owl dipped in saccharin.
Mind ya, those are all a stretch, but I think some brothers might agree. At least they'll agree about the Los Statos.

Those are a good place for you to start, though.
Maybe someone will chime in with a couple "classic cc taste" recommendations so you can taste the extreme opposite end of the cc spectrum.

03-26-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by klipsch

But I feel that most CC's are one dimensional.

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Interesting perspective. I find the opposite to be true.

I'm throwing CC's up against the pricier Tat's and Padron that I typically gravitate to. I had a RASS that had some complexity to it. But again...$4-$5 vs $10-$12+

shilala · 03-26-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by klipsch

I'm throwing CC's up against the pricier Tat's and Padron that I typically gravitate to. I had a RASS that had some complexity to it. But again...$4-$5 vs $10-$12+

I've smoked $3.00 cc's that offered tons more complexity than $30.00 nc's. Take an old erdm lunch club vs. Don Carlos Anniversario.
I know we put a lot of stock in complexity, but I'm sure there are a lot of smokers who seek out, and even appreciate a 10" one-dimensional cigar like an LFD EL A.
That said, I know exactly what you mean, and I feel much the same.
I'd much rather spend the money for something I really enjoy than to save money on something I don't. That's why I keep trying lots of different stuff.

MiamiE · 03-26-2010, 08:38 AM

None in my opinion. Pepin comes close in construction though.

St. Lou Stu · 03-26-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

It's like asking "Which apples taste most like oranges?".

Funny you should say that, because I do have one orange flavored apple in my humi. Or, a box and a half of them anyway.

Partagas Cifuentes Seasonal Blends Junio, I believe.
Last time I had one (almost a year ago) it tasted spot on like a party corona.
So I had another.... it did too... and another.... same result.
So, I bought another box.

Haven't had one since. Who knows, they may taste like rabbit ass now, but they were good.

Bax · 03-26-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu

Funny you should say that, because I do have one orange flavored apple in my humi. Or, a box and a half of them anyway.

Partagas Cifuentes Seasonal Blends Junio, I believe.
Last time I had one (almost a year ago) it tasted spot on like a party corona.
So I had another.... it did too... and another.... same result.
So, I bought another box.

Haven't had one since. Who knows, they may taste like rabbit ass now, but they were good.

Hmmm... deep fried or char broiled? Personally I can't stand deep fried rabbit ass but you toss that puppy on a charbroiler MMMMMMM...That's good eatin'

icehog3 · 03-26-2010, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by klipsch

Depends on what Cubans you're comparing too. I've had some aged Opus that taste like some Partagas. Personally, I feel that the only advantage that Cubans offer is price over NC's. You can get a very flavorful CC for $4-$5 Where it'll cost you $10+ for a NC that will even come close. But I feel that most CC's are one dimensional.

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Originally Posted by pnoon

Interesting perspective. I find the opposite to be true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by klipsch

I'm throwing CC's up against the pricier Tat's and Padron that I typically gravitate to. I had a RASS that had some complexity to it. But again...$4-$5 vs $10-$12+

I agree with Peter. Walt, are you smoking mainly "fresh" Cuban cigars. Often it takes some time for complexity to develop..but I have never had an NC, fresh or aged, that came close to some of the Cubans I have had in regards to complexity.

tedrodgerscpa · 03-26-2010, 09:12 AM

As most have mentioned, there is little to no comparison.

The vast majority of my consumption is in cuban cigars, however I don't mind mixing in a Nic Puro from time to time for a different taste. I don't have much of a taste for Honduran/Dominican anymore.

I'd be much more successful in giving a list of cubans that have very strong non-cuban profiles (Los Statos, Cohiba Maduro, RyJ Cazadores).

At the end of the day, I think you should consider 3 key points.

1. Cuban cigars may not be legal in your country.

2. Cuban cigars are almost ALWAYS cheaper than non-cuban cigars at the same 'quality level'

3. Smoke what you like.

03-26-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Walt, are you smoking mainly "fresh" Cuban cigars. Often it takes some time for complexity to develop..but I have never had an NC, fresh or aged, that came close to some of the Cubans I have had in regards to complexity.

I'm going to have to say yes for the most part (1-3 years old). I've got a Punch SS #1 from 92 in the humi. I'll be looking forward to it even more now, based on what your saying above.

shilala · 03-26-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by klipsch

I'm going to have to say yes for the most part (1-3 years old). I've got a Punch SS #1 from 92 in the humi. I'll be looking forward to it even more now, based on what your saying above.

Go smoke that homer, Walt. See what you think and get back to us.
If you like those old turds, I bet someone would love to share something else for you to try.

gnukfu · 03-26-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala

Tom and Peter are right on the money. Someone mentioned Vegeuros. Cuaba is another, that smoked fresh, tastes a lot out of the CC realm. Maybe a Mexican, Nic, inside with an Ecuadoran outside. Not so much Nicaraguan, maybe closer to Dominican. Heck, I don't know. I'm not a blender, I just pretend to be one in this thread.

I mentioned the Vegueros Scott. Yeah the Cuaba is another Cuban that is similar to a non-Cuban, except for the Salomone. I had one of those and thought it was a great Cuban tasting cigar....or maybe that was a Partagas....hmmm I think it was a Cuaba....have a great weekend everyone!

qwerty1500 · 03-26-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiE

None in my opinion. Pepin comes close in construction though.

Agree on the flavor. Now about construction ... haven't had that many Pepins ... but I've never had a plugged Pepin.

Wolfgang · 03-26-2010, 04:55 PM

cabiguan or davidoff.

SmokinApe · 03-27-2010, 07:21 PM

I think the Indian Tobac Super Fuerte comes close with the Devil's Weed in a close second...

lostark374 · 03-28-2010, 12:27 AM

This question comes up often. There is no real answer to it (factual or opinionated)... what should be focused on is what cigar you enjoy the most, regardless of origin.

This would be like asking what fast food tastes most like McDonalds. There are many fast-food places out there national, local, global ECT... all have there pluses and minuses. None taste like McDonalds. And further more. Taste like McDonalds what? They have many items on the menu all taste different some like the big Mac some like a quarter pounder ECT.. Are you asking which fast food place tastes like a Quarter pounder? Well I can guarantee you that if you are asking a quarter pounder eaters this question but not specifying the quarter pounder part and you’re looking for other fast food places that taste like mcnuggets you will be disappointed.

Maybe im just rambling... maybe I don’t know S.H.I.T. from shineola take this for what it is........ Not much.

03-28-2010, 12:43 AM

^^^ I understand what you are saying.

Stinky · 03-28-2010, 12:45 AM

A great man once said: You asked a question that really has no answer, only opinions.

Ok. . . now that you guys have beaten that dead horse into meatloaf, back to the original question:

Many times I've told people that (IMHO) the Punch Rare Corojo Double Corona (Size: 6-3/4" x 48 ring) is most like the rich flavorful Cuban cigar profile. IMHO means: In My Humble Opinion. . . so there! You asked. I gave an answer!

FWIW:
I have strong opinions about Cuban cigars in the USA. All the books and articles I've read in the last 12 years reiterate that 90 to 95 percent of Cuban cigars in the USA are counterfeit. I cannot disagree with the rock-solid authors who write these books & articles because they have unapproachable credentials in cigar manufacturing. Anyone who knows me or has been to my home, knows I have a collection of cigar books. . . and I've read every one . . . cover to cover! (I'm obsessive compulsive, but therapy ended years ago.) Anyway, I've been fortunate enough to enjoy a few Cubans myself. I can't tell you how many times someone has gifted me one of their prized Cuban cigars. . . only to smoke it and find it to be of Nicaraguan or Ecuadorian tobaccos! One (high profile) member of another cigar forum gifted me a bag full of Cubans. The first one tasted like ship! I tried another and thought the flavor-aroma was familiar. So, I shared the rest with a cigar blender/manufacture. He immediately identified the wrapper as Ecuadorian tobacco. This same scenario has played out with numerous of other "high profile" forum members who fancy themselves as "cigar aficionados" in their own minds. They spend HUGE amounts of money on cigars! (with huge humidor cabinets and/or closets full of cigars!) They think because they buy overseas, they're getting the real deal. I share these examples because many who make the effort to buy Cuban cigars just don't want to believe they are part of the 90-95% getting counterfeit cigars! They wouldn't actually recognize a Cuban cigar because they've been smoking Nicaraguan or Ecuadorian versions . . . counterfeits. But, you'll never convince them. They'll die trying to refute anyone who questions them or their sources! Gee! I hope this didn't offend anyone here! I'm still new and have spent the last decade at a number of other cigar forums. So, no offense to you all. I just don't know you well enough to insult you (yet).

I would love to challenge them (anyone) to a blind-taste-test! Different "puro" cigars from different countries. . . Nicaraguan, Honduran, Mexican, Dominican, Ecuadorian, Cuban, etc. Here's the contest: "Smoke & Tell" where the cigar (tobacco) is from! Now THIS would be MY kind of "All-Day-Herf" contest for a true Cigar Summit!

lostark374 · 03-28-2010, 01:05 AM

Thanks for the review!!

03-26-2010, 07:50 AM	#21
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: In your opinion which NC is closest to a CC? Tom and Peter are right on the money. Someone mentioned Vegeuros. Cuaba is another, that smoked fresh, tastes a lot out of the CC realm. Maybe a Mexican, Nic, inside with an Ecuadoran outside. Not so much Nicaraguan, maybe closer to Dominican. Heck, I don't know. I'm not a blender, I just pretend to be one in this thread. __________________

03-26-2010, 08:01 AM	#23
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: In your opinion which NC is closest to a CC? Cuaba tastes a lot like a Te-Amo Anniversario and Te-Amo Nic Blend combined. There, I got it. The easiest way to get the CC flavor is to fetch up some cc's, my brother. Add Kelly to the list of guys that's right on the money, and I asked this question not so long ago myself. The answer really is "none". I have found some nc flavors in cc's, but they're less pronounced and really don't develop because the binder and filler take the forefront. I enjoy my nc's more than my cc's right now, but I'm headed more and more in the cc direction. The cc's that I like have a lot of nc flavors and nuance. I think the Punch RS11 tastes a LOT like Pepin blnded stuff. I enjoy Cohiba maduros because they have a very nice sweet maduro wrapper that very much compliments the sweet insides, and I like my maduros and oscuros a LOT. Los Statos kinda tastes like a White Owl dipped in saccharin. Mind ya, those are all a stretch, but I think some brothers might agree. At least they'll agree about the Los Statos. Those are a good place for you to start, though. Maybe someone will chime in with a couple "classic cc taste" recommendations so you can taste the extreme opposite end of the cc spectrum. __________________

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lostark374 Framed Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Aaron Location: Southern California Posts: 432 Trading: (5)	Re: In your opinion which NC is closest to a CC? This question comes up often. There is no real answer to it (factual or opinionated)... what should be focused on is what cigar you enjoy the most, regardless of origin. This would be like asking what fast food tastes most like McDonalds. There are many fast-food places out there national, local, global ECT... all have there pluses and minuses. None taste like McDonalds. And further more. Taste like McDonalds what? They have many items on the menu all taste different some like the big Mac some like a quarter pounder ECT.. Are you asking which fast food place tastes like a Quarter pounder? Well I can guarantee you that if you are asking a quarter pounder eaters this question but not specifying the quarter pounder part and you’re looking for other fast food places that taste like mcnuggets you will be disappointed. Maybe im just rambling... maybe I don’t know S.H.I.T. from shineola take this for what it is........ Not much. __________________ Eatin Kernel's Chicken, Drinkin Heineken Brew!!!!!

03-28-2010, 12:43 AM	#38
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03-28-2010, 12:45 AM	#39
Stinky Join CigarRights.org NOW! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Stinky Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 229 Trading: (1)	Re: In your opinion which NC is closest to a CC? A great man once said: You asked a question that really has no answer, only opinions. Ok. . . now that you guys have beaten that dead horse into meatloaf, back to the original question: Many times I've told people that (IMHO) the Punch Rare Corojo Double Corona (Size: 6-3/4" x 48 ring) is most like the rich flavorful Cuban cigar profile. IMHO means: In My Humble Opinion. . . so there! You asked. I gave an answer! FWIW: I have strong opinions about Cuban cigars in the USA. All the books and articles I've read in the last 12 years reiterate that 90 to 95 percent of Cuban cigars in the USA are counterfeit. I cannot disagree with the rock-solid authors who write these books & articles because they have unapproachable credentials in cigar manufacturing. Anyone who knows me or has been to my home, knows I have a collection of cigar books. . . and I've read every one . . . cover to cover! (I'm obsessive compulsive, but therapy ended years ago.) Anyway, I've been fortunate enough to enjoy a few Cubans myself. I can't tell you how many times someone has gifted me one of their prized Cuban cigars. . . only to smoke it and find it to be of Nicaraguan or Ecuadorian tobaccos! One (high profile) member of another cigar forum gifted me a bag full of Cubans. The first one tasted like ship! I tried another and thought the flavor-aroma was familiar. So, I shared the rest with a cigar blender/manufacture. He immediately identified the wrapper as Ecuadorian tobacco. This same scenario has played out with numerous of other "high profile" forum members who fancy themselves as "cigar aficionados" in their own minds. They spend HUGE amounts of money on cigars! (with huge humidor cabinets and/or closets full of cigars!) They think because they buy overseas, they're getting the real deal. I share these examples because many who make the effort to buy Cuban cigars just don't want to believe they are part of the 90-95% getting counterfeit cigars! They wouldn't actually recognize a Cuban cigar because they've been smoking Nicaraguan or Ecuadorian versions . . . counterfeits. But, you'll never convince them. They'll die trying to refute anyone who questions them or their sources! Gee! I hope this didn't offend anyone here! I'm still new and have spent the last decade at a number of other cigar forums. So, no offense to you all. I just don't know you well enough to insult you (yet). I would love to challenge them (anyone) to a blind-taste-test! Different "puro" cigars from different countries. . . Nicaraguan, Honduran, Mexican, Dominican, Ecuadorian, Cuban, etc. Here's the contest: "Smoke & Tell" where the cigar (tobacco) is from! Now THIS would be MY kind of "All-Day-Herf" contest for a true Cigar Summit! __________________ Promoting the Enjoyment of Fine Cigars!

03-28-2010, 01:05 AM	#40
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