stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet

Originally Posted by mahtofire

The owner, who is a good friend of mine, told me something I have never knew about. Buying cigars online is actually illegal. ....

Did he actually say it is illegal?

[md4958]

Originally Posted by Stogieboy

Did he actually say it is illegal?

dont worry, he was referring to NCs being illegal to buy online, not CCs

[DPD6030]

Hi Moe.

so am I illegal then?

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Hardcz

so am I illegal then?

Yep.

Originally Posted by Hardcz

so am I illegal then?

For now. We are currently working to change that.

[marge796]

You just blew my mind!!!

[TheRiddick]

Internet sales is still a very gray area. Years ago they were designated as "tax free" to stimulate sales and make people actually buy online. A couple of times since then our great government attempted to change that, but IIRC, they still have not changed that. So that Amazon/eBay/etc purchase is legal, still. And pretty much any other internet purchase. Businesses that collect taxes on internet sales are those that have a B&M or offices in the state you reside in, and they treat those sales same as any local sales had you been buying at the B&M instead. If a business does not have a B&M/office presence in your state they do not have to collect taxes.

When businesses file their quarterly sales tax reports with the state, there is a separate bucket for sales to out of state customers with no tax to be collected nor reported.

Will that change? Maybe. But that will immediately kill a bunch of businesses, even those with B&M outlets (or at least make them earn much less). Amazon, as an example here, included. Imagine all the used book/CD/whatever sellers having to file taxes and paperwork with each state, it won't be worth anyone's time nor profits.

Sounds like a B&M owner is either playing it fast and lose (with the originator of this rumor) or simply not aware of special internet sales provisions put in place back in '90s and still in force. What the poster should do is go back and ask the B&M owner to see a blank state tax board form, there WILL BE a bucket that says, Out of State Non Taxable sales. Either the owner is clueless or dishonest since if anyone from another state calls him to buy and ship, the owner will not collect any tax on that sale. And I doubt he os not aware of this.

I deal with wine sales, same agency (ATF) and same state tax people.

Yeah he knows that and has told me of this, but what he said was something about if you buy from a state where the tax is lower than ours you don't owe anything. But if you buy say from WI, or ND, or the neighboring states where the tax is similar to ours, MN could call over to one of the boarding states agents and they could report you. He only mentioned this whole thing to me once, so I may not be getting all my facts straight so this is for me just as much as for then next guy....The owner isn't trying to pull anything over on anyone...

Back on topic.

Yes age is a possible reason for the difference. I've said that a few times already. But I've also mentioned that ice tried the boxes just as my lounge gets them.

Already mentioned no conspiracy.

And to the fellow that asked why do you lose the part of the arguement. Well. If you claim that spanking you kid is not illegal and I claim that of course you go to jail if you clobber him over the head with a 2x4. You have the right as the guy making the original statement to say. I was not talking about clobbering him with a 2x4. You can use that as an argument.

Same thing here.

[thebiglebowski]

When the still sea conspires an armor
And her sullen and aborted
Currents breed tiny monsters,
True sailing is dead.

Awkward instant
And the first animal is jettisoned,
Legs furiously pumping
Their stiff green gallop,
And heads bob up
Poise
Delicate
Pause
Consent
In mute nostril agony
Carefully refined
And sealed over.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by thebiglebowski

When the still sea conspires an armor
And her sullen and aborted
Currents breed tiny monsters,
True sailing is dead.

Awkward instant
And the first animal is jettisoned,
Legs furiously pumping
Their stiff green gallop,
And heads bob up
Poise
Delicate
Pause
Consent
In mute nostril agony
Carefully refined
And sealed over.

Who wrote this poem? Sounds familiar.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by Legend

Back on topic.

There's a topic?

Originally Posted by Legend

Back on topic.

Yes age is a possible reason for the difference. I've said that a few times already. But I've also mentioned that ice tried the boxes just as my lounge gets them.

Already mentioned no conspiracy.

And to the fellow that asked why do you lose the part of the arguement. Well. If you claim that spanking you kid is not illegal and I claim that of course you go to jail if you clobber him over the head with a 2x4. You have the right as the guy making the original statement to say. I was not talking about clobbering him with a 2x4. You can use that as an argument.

Same thing here.

Is it me or does the part about spanking and a 2x4 make sense?

[MajorCaptSilly]

There's a pack of wild skinks in my neighborhood.

MCS

[macpappy]

My turn to post here.



Ok. I'm done.

Originally Posted by ahc4353

Is it me or does the part about spanking and a 2x4 make sense?

exactly I say There is a noticeable difference, (spanking)
the nay sayers here say 2nds, scrap, inferior, subpar, etc. etc. (hit in the head with a 2x4)

I am suggesting something mild and subtle, and to argue against me they say I'm saying something harsh and drastic.

[quote=Legend;249743]
Ok. Here is the basic premise. A B&M has superior cigars to internet.


Supporting statements:
1. Side by side tests. I've taken a number of internet cigars into my lounge and bought the same cigar there and smoked them side by side. Even had a few botl try it too and we all thought the local one was better. Even in blind tests.

2. Botl had gone to Honduras and Dominican republic and reported that locals(workers at the factories) had stated that inferior tobacco and piles left laying around in the factory were for internet cigars.
3. Just conjecture here but I think to myself as a businessman. First the big guys want these incredible discounts. Need to use surplus and extra tobacco. Second I know that the small guy is aware of everything that comes into his shop. Whereas the big guy. Not so much. I know that in my business the guy who makes 2 orders a month will probably call me about both. On the other hand the company that orders 100 one of his employees may call every 3 months or so.

Final thoughts: again just my opinion and I will still order and smoke internet cigars. But I think the makers know who their clients are and will give superior product to the local guys. It helps keep them in business when they can't compete price wise and reduces complaints. Try a side by side testing and support you local as much as your budget allows.

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The statements made in your original post do not reflect what you are now calling a "difference" or "spanking". You seem to be accusing those that disagree with you of blowing it out of proportion "2x4". Perhaps you should read the words and tone of your OP and retract or modify some of them.

[md4958]

You know, I really dont like Sergio Garcia (the golfer) I dont know why... just never liked him.

[md4958]

you know who else I never liked, VeeJay Singh... again, not sure why.