Census 2010

[elderboy02]

Originally Posted by floydpink

Totally different topic, but I often wonder if "they" know you carry a concealed weapon permit by running your license plate number at a traffic stop...

In Ohio the officer knows. My buddy is a cop and I asked him to run my info. On the screen when they run the plate it says "Concealed Weapons Permit" or something like that.

In Ohio, you have to notify the officer no matter what. Some guy hit me on the highway a couple years ago and when the officer approached me, the first thing I said is "Officer, I have to inform you that I have a concealed carry permit and I am armed. Do you have any instructions for me" He said I was fine b/c he doesn't have to worry about CCW holders. It is the criminals he has to worry about that don't tell him.

[G G]

Originally Posted by floydpink

Totally different topic, but I often wonder if "they" know you carry a concealed weapon permit by running your license plate number at a traffic stop.

They don't in Florida, but some states they do know. Florida doesn't have it tied to your DL yet. And you don't have to offer the info if you are stopped, but you can't lie if they ask.

[Rabidsquirrel]

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/questions.php

According to Title 13, Chapter 7, Subtitle 2, anyone who willfully gives an answer that is false could be fined up to $500.

For those of you worried about your information, you better stop using the internet immediately. You leave more information about you on the internet than the government gets by filling out a survey.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/questions.php



For those of you worried about your information, you better stop using the internet immediately. You leave more information about you on the internet than the government gets by filling out a survey.

I was going to ask, what about leaving it blank and here is the answer. $100 fine.

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

I am close to being back in Cuba.

[G G]

Originally Posted by Blueface

I am close to being back in Cuba.

Scary aint it?

[Rabidsquirrel]

Seriously? You're willing to leave the country over having to answer how many people are in your house?

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

Seriously? You're willing to leave the country over having to answer how many people are in your house?

No.
I suppose after reading what I wrote, it could in fact be taken that way too.

What I meant is we use to have to walk around with documents and offer them up to the government at any request, at any time.

[Rabidsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Blueface

What I meant is we use to have to walk around with documents and offer them up to the government at any request, at any time.

Hah, now that you point that out, that's the only way I can read it.

[Col. Kurtz]

I just bit the bullet and filled it out. That information is readily available to whomever wants it anyway.

Have you seen the information available via google maps and whitepages.com?



No biggie if you ask me. I would be concerned if I thought anyone in our government was smart enough to correctly assemble and use the information.

Now, come on cvstoms. Release my packages.

[Razorhog]

I still haven't received the form. If I do get it soon, should I count my two sons who will be born in the next few weeks?

[T.G]

Originally Posted by Razorhog

I still haven't received the form. If I do get it soon, should I count my two sons who will be born in the next few weeks?

Count them as 95% each.

[smokin5]

Blueface (& others), you're either too paranoid or not paranoid enough.
Presuming you file income tax returns (you DO file them, don't you?), you've already given them a ton & 1/2 of your personal info & then some. Address? Check. Occupation? Check. Every bank account on which you earn interest? Check. Every investment on which you get dividends? Check. Where you work? With whom you have your mortgage? Check & Check. Your social security number, which can then be used to pull up every credit card, auto loan & other debt you've had, not to mention your birthday? Oh yeah, that too.
Shall I continue, or has my point been made?
The federal government already knows more about you than you might know about yourself. The census info requested is benign compared to all the other info you've already volunteered to the government. Get over it or move to a cave in the forest.

Originally Posted by smokin5

Blueface (& others), you're either too paranoid or not paranoid enough.
Presuming you file income tax returns (you DO file them, don't you?), you've already given them a ton & 1/2 of your personal info & then some. Address? Check. Occupation? Check. Every bank account on which you earn interest? Check. Every investment on which you get dividends? Check. Where you work? With whom you have your mortgage? Check & Check. Your social security number, which can then be used to pull up every credit card, auto loan & other debt you've had, not to mention your birthday? Oh yeah, that too.
Shall I continue, or has my point been made?
The federal government already knows more about you than you might know about yourself. The census info requested is benign compared to all the other info you've already volunteered to the government. Get over it or move to a cave in the forest.

They know what I let them know. I know what they know. There are ways of obfuscating the data. 'Nuff said.

[forgop]

I just bought a new house-what's the penalty for filling it out twice?

[Neuromancer]

Don't get over-excited about the census...just fill it out...the information in it is kept by the government and is used to apportion government funds to your local districts...furthermore the census is not made public for 72 years...I've been doing some research on my ancesters and have access to the 1910, 1920, and 1930 census's...I won't be albe to access the 1940 census for another two years...and all you see when you access the older ones is the name and address of the resident's, their age's and very little else...the early ones asked if the children were in school and if they could read and write...they used that for federal funding for the schools...the 1930 census shows my grandmother and grandfather, and my mother at age 8, and my aunt at age 4...it's really no biggie...

[T.G]

Not to point out the obvious here, but if you have a passport the government already knows the answers to most or all of the things you don't want to fill out on the census form, so you might as well just fill them in and not attention to yourself.

[Skywalker]

Originally Posted by T.G

Not to point out the obvious here, but if you have a passport the government already knows the answers to most or all of the things you don't want to fill out on the census form, so you might as well just fill them in and not attention to yourself.

It's our government! What's not to trust???

[T.G]

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by T.G

Not to point out the obvious here, but if you have a passport the government already knows the answers to most or all of the things you don't want to fill out on the census form, so you might as well just fill them in and not attention to yourself.

Or a drivers license, or a hunting license, or a Social Security Number, or any number of other pieces of ID issued by your local, state or federal branches for varying purposes.

As someone else mentioned, they just want to to do the work of collating the specific information they want for this survey. Honestly you should probably want to do it for them too. They can easily get this information with or without your knowledge, at least in the form of a census you know what they're asking. Besides your tax dollars are paying for this exercise and you can bet that it's cheaper to pay the census takers to mail out the forms and do the resulting data entry than is it to pay bureaucrats to pull this information from multiple sources across several departments and/or levels of government.

Originally Posted by Blueface

My question is how does you name and date of birth and phone number for contact help school funding?

If collated by geographical district they can make predictions about future school use based on population trends. For example if district A has 50% of households where the age is under 40 and district B has 65% of households over 50 you know that district A is likely to need more school services simply because it has a higher percentage of it's population in their child bearing and rearing years. If you take that further and trend that data over several census periods then you can get an idea of migration trends in and out of districts making those kind of predictions more accurate than just looking at single snapshot in time.

[skibumdc]

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

Besides your tax dollars are paying for this exercise and you can bet that it's cheaper to pay the census takers to mail out the forms and do the resulting data entry than is it to pay bureaucrats to pull this information from multiple sources across several departments and/or levels of government.

True.

Originally Posted by mithrilG60

If collated by geographical district they can make predictions about future school use based on population trends. For example if district A has 50% of households where the age is under 40 and district B has 65% of households over 50 you know that district A is likely to need more school services simply because it has a higher percentage of it's population in their child bearing and rearing years.

While mostly true, neighborhoods and zip codes can change drastically in the 10 years between censuseseses. sp?
Example: The Northern Virginia landscape has changed so dramatically over the past decade, the census data taken in 2000 has been worthless for school planning since 2002.

We still need the census, but the data is truly only useful in a suburban environment like the DC Metro area for 2 years. Demographics, income levels, age groups can change in as little as a year based on an article in the Post.