A kick in the nuts due to new law....

[acruce]

Originally Posted by 68TriShield

This is the best solution I have found so far.Nothing will help with the smoke nazis though
After trying a Kerosene Heater and salamander type. I found this to be fast heating and it runs up to two weeks on a tank.
That's with going out most every evening for a two or three hours.
Normally I only use one side.

Make sure you have good ventilation!

Is this safe to use in the garage with out allot of ventilation

[Skywalker]

I hate it when that happens!!!

Originally Posted by acruce

Is this safe to use in the garage with out allot of ventilation

There are two different types of propane heaters sold, vent free, and those that need to have good ventilation.

There are some pretty good vent free setups that would work great in your garage. Here is a good example of one

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...Product%20Page

[Azpostal]

What? That just doesn't make any sense! How the heck did this happen in NC, the home of tobacco!

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by Azpostal

What? That just doesn't make any sense! How the heck did this happen in NC, the home of tobacco!

It happens when people don't pay attention to what their fascist gubment is doing to them. This state has been in trouble for a while. I can't tell you how many people I have spoken with in the past few days that knew nothing of the new law.

That lamp looks nifty, all ya gotta do is plug it in thats cool. which reminds me... I got a little space heater around here somewhere..... gotta find that now.

[blugill]

I love how they tax tobacco for revenue but don't let you use it anywhere....

[webjunkie]

I was under the impression that the NC smoking ban specifically said that tobacco shops were exempt from the ban.

Originally Posted by Namerifrats

Went by my favorite B&M today. First time I've been by there in a while due to moving and being busy. Went in, a few guys sitting around in the lounge area talking as usual. Didn't pay much attention to the fact that nobody was smoking. Went in the humidor, picked out a Padron, went to the counter. Shop owner rang me up and started to bag the cigar. I said "Don't worry bout that, gonna smoke it here". Then he broke the news.....no more smoking in the shop due to that new smoking ban that just came into affect in North Carolina. I thought that only applied to the bars and restaurants! We talked about it for a couple minutes and he said the reason it affected him was the fact of his shop being in a strip mall setting. The neighbors have been complaining to the landlord and all. It was a kick in the nuts because thats the only place around I knew to smoke in. Anyway, I enjoyed my cigar on the ride back home, so not a complete loss! He said he was working on a solution....guess he may be planning on moving to a free standing building so smoking will be allowed. I really hope he does because the owner is an awesome guy and he runs the best B&M around here. I'll continue to go there for B&M purchases, just a shame that the days on sitting around in there enjoying a good smoke are gone.

I live in North Carolian also, no problem at my B&M, and he's in a strip mall. I agree with you, his fellow tenants should not have been able to stop him from allowing you guys to smoke in the shop.

Larry -

Can we vote on evicting the jacka$$es next door at ""Hot Yoga""????

The Salsa Place LOVES the business we bring him...I still remember the Pepin event when that guy reeking of the 3 week old jockstrap said the smoke was "bothering him"...come to think of it....I haven't seen him lately....

Originally Posted by tobii3

Larry -

Can we vote on evicting the jacka$$es next door at ""Hot Yoga""????

The Salsa Place LOVES the business we bring him...I still remember the Pepin event when that guy reeking of the 3 week old jockstrap said the smoke was "bothering him"...come to think of it....I haven't seen him lately....

Actually since the new owner bought the place there haven't been any problems.

You know why don't you, when you and I weren't looking "Skills" took care of him....for good!

[joeobx]

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...Product%20Page

I just pick up one of these a couple of days ago, works good for knocking the cold off. I have one of the parabolic dish that I let run most of the night and use the Heater Buddy to compensate in between. As with any thing with a open flame you need a little ventilation.The Heater Buddy states on the box safe for indoor use, instructions say to crack a window. If this helps my garage is 20x20 with 12' ceiling and I'm in a t shirt @ 28* outside

[neoflex]

Hmmm, wonder how that will effect one of Tinder Boxes flagship stores for the Charlotte area, which is in the Southpark Mall.
I went to a bar last night for the fight and felt like I was back in NY. No cigarette smell and you could see clear across to the other side of the bar. I did chuckle when the heat kicked on because you could than smell the smoke that was in the system from before the ban. Not too many bars let you smoke cigars in them but I knew of a couple and will miss it. One bar in Gastonia would even let a group of us hang out and smoke for hours on end. It's too bad the ban passed. When I moved here almost three years ago I thought for sure this would be one of the last states that would impose a smoking ban. Like most other things in life, I guess I was wrong.

[Salvelinus]

Having never been able to smoke in a b&m here I can't imagine what the feeling of having that chance taken away would be. Kick in the nuts probably sums it up pretty well.

Originally Posted by Salvelinus

Kick in the nuts probably sums it up pretty well.

That's the way I see it

[troutbreath]

Originally Posted by Namerifrats

That's the way I see it

Which store were you at when this happened? I rarely shop in the Winston-Salem area just because there seems to be a limited selection. Maybe I have missed a place.

And I agree that this ban stinks. I rarely ever smoke at dinner, but would love to enjoy a cigar and scotch in a bar on occasion. Shame that cannot happen in NC.

Originally Posted by troutbreath

Which store were you at when this happened? I rarely shop in the Winston-Salem area just because there seems to be a limited selection. Maybe I have missed a place.

And I agree that this ban stinks. I rarely ever smoke at dinner, but would love to enjoy a cigar and scotch in a bar on occasion. Shame that cannot happen in NC.

The Pipe & Pint in Greensboro. I haven't found an actual "Tobacconist" in Winston-Salem, much less any sort of lounge. Just a few smoke shops that carry some cigars. Only B&M's in Winston I've ever purchased from are Tobacco Leaf over near Jonestown Rd. and Pipes Etc. at Thruway Plaza. I live down off of Hickory Tree Rd., there is a small smoke shop about 2 minutes from the house called R&R Tobacco & News. They carry a decent assortment of premium cigars.

[CigarNut]

This is the same thing that happened in Oregon 1/1/2009. A new statewide law (ban, really) went into effect:

• No smoking withing 10 feet of any door or window of a public establishment. If someone smokes within 10 feet of a business, and someone else complains, the business owner is fined. Ridiculous! Why should a business owner be required to police the public property outside their doors??
• No smoking anything other than cigars at existing cigar bars
• No new cigar bars - Only cigar bars with established cigar-related revenues in 2006 can be cigar bars after 1/1/2009 -- lots of places closed due to this
• Only 40 people allowed in a cigar bar (regardless of actual capacity). This caused several cigar bars to stop allowing cigars due to the loss of revenue
• Ad infinitum

One of the major justifications for this is "employee safety" -- employees required to work in an unsafe (second-hand-smoke environment). If you don't like working in a smoky room, get a job elsewhere...

The Oregon Bar Owners association has complained to the legislature because their business is off 29%. The Oregon Lottery revenue from Video Poker is down 20%. Several of the B&M cigar stores are no longer able to allow smoking so their revenue is off... (have to be a free-standing building, ventilation requirements, etc. that most B&Ms cannot meet -- particularly the free-standing building requirement).

What ever happened to people voting with their feet/dollars? If you don't like a restaurant or business due to smoking or non-smoking requirements, you take your business elsewhere.

I used to have a choice of at least a dozen cigar-friendly places to eat or drink within a reasonable drive. Now I have two in the winter and a third in the summer.

Like many others, I went out and got propane heaters for my deck, so as long as it is not too windy or wet, I can smoke out there. If it is windy or wet I can smoke in the garage, but I have to be careful about smoke getting into the house from the furnace intake...

[troutbreath]

Originally Posted by Namerifrats

The Pipe & Pint in Greensboro. I haven't found an actual "Tobacconist" in Winston-Salem, much less any sort of lounge. Just a few smoke shops that carry some cigars. Only B&M's in Winston I've ever purchased from are Tobacco Leaf over near Jonestown Rd. and Pipes Etc. at Thruway Plaza. I live down off of Hickory Tree Rd., there is a small smoke shop about 2 minutes from the house called R&R Tobacco & News. They carry a decent assortment of premium cigars.

I LIKE the Pipe & Pint. Sorry to hear that they cannot smoke there anymore. Actually purchased my first ever box of cigars there. Torano Exodus 1959 Gold. Yummy.

The Tinderbox has reopened in Hanes Mall. The owner (Bobby) has a pretty good selection, but he charges too much usually.

[Chris.]

I say everyone should just move to South Carolina to smoke with the rest of us until we take on the same stupid trend.