Has anyone seen this Cohiba? Cohiba 40 Aniversario 1966-2006

[T.G]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanLarry

Tyler and Tim, this is the one that us FOG's (Fine Older Gentelman) still remember....before General threatened to sue them or put them out of business!


http://www.socialcigar.com/video/dom...iba-is-it-fake

Yup, those are the Montikristi's...

I've had two of these in different vitola's. The first I think was a Churchill and was excellent. It had volumes of creamy smoke and was very chocolaty and sweet yet strong. It lasted over two hours before I put it out because it was getting to be a bit too much for me. I think the second was a corona gorda or double corona and sucked arse. I suffered through a third of it and remembered some of Bobarian's previous advice and let it die on a stirrup of my Stinky. If I could find the first vitola, and it was consistent, I would not hesitate to purchase a box of them. Problem is that the B&M I got it from ran out of that Vitola.

Try it out. Good luck. I hope you have the same experience as with the first one I smoked.

P.S. The local B&M I got them from had said that there were the two companies which had fought over the trademark as others have previously posted and this seems to be the Co. that lost.

Valuable advice, I'll do that. Hope it turns out similaarly. i just wonder who actually made these things.

Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts

Valuable advice, I'll do that. Hope it turns out similaarly. i just wonder who actually made these things.

I was trying to find that out as well to no avail. If I can get the same experience as before then I would like more of them. I also paid $13.50 for each of them which for what I got in the first stick is very reasonable for even a smaller size let alone over two hours of smokey goodness. LMK if you find out more.

[bobarian]

Paul, These may indeed turn out to be decent cigars. From the box pictures they are not purporting to be Cuban Cohibas as it clearly states their country of origin. Whether the price is excessive, only you can decide. Out here in California where we pay $10 and up for a Fuente Short Story, $13.50 is not a crazy price for a cigar. I think its interesting to see smokes like this, its amazing the stuff that is out there.

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

I was trying to find that out as well to no avail. If I can get the same experience as before then I would like more of them. I also paid $13.50 for each of them which for what I got in the first stick is very reasonable for even a smaller size let alone over two hours of smokey goodness. LMK if you find out more.

If this one is good like the one you had ill let you know. and if they ran out of em at your B&M i could ship ya some.

Originally Posted by bobarian

Paul, These may indeed turn out to be decent cigars. From the box pictures they are not purporting to be Cuban Cohibas as it clearly states their country of origin. Whether the price is excessive, only you can decide. Out here in California where we pay $10 and up for a Fuente Short Story, $13.50 is not a crazy price for a cigar. I think its interesting to see smokes like this, its amazing the stuff that is out there.

Thats a good way of looking at it, Ill probably smoke one tonight and post how it was. It is cool stumbling upon a unique cigar that doesnt claim to be Cuban.

[Tuxguy]

wow, the box even has a "Habano" (Red/Yellow)style banner wrapper that looks to say DR

[NCRadioMan]

Originally Posted by Pauly Walnuts

It is cool stumbling upon a unique cigar that doesnt claim to be Cuban.

Yet uses a trademark and likeness exclusive to the Cuban cigar that many novice cigar smokers recognize. That makes them fake. I can attest to the fact that it doesn't matter if it says it's Dominican on the box, people do not read. Therefore, are suckered into thinking they are getting a Cuban Cohiba. And the strange, cryptic response from the the guy you asked doesn't help.

I am a hardliner when it comes to these things.

Originally Posted by Tuxguy

wow, the box even has a "Habano" (Red/Yellow)style banner wrapper that looks to say DR

hang on im gonna go look at the sticky with all the lingo abbreviations on it and ill be right back!
EDIT hmm it wasnt there, probably because its so obvious i should know it..

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Yet uses a trademark and likeness exclusive to the Cuban cigar that many novice cigar smokers recognize. That makes them fake. I can attest to the fact that it doesn't matter if it says it's Dominican on the box, people do not read. Therefore, are suckered into thinking they are getting a Cuban Cohiba. And the strange, cryptic response from the the guy you asked doesn't help.

I am a hardliner when it comes to these things.

yea his response was virtually useless, i just took my pictures and walked outta the joint lol

[bobarian]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Yet uses a trademark and likeness exclusive to the Cuban cigar that many novice cigar smokers recognize. That makes them fake. I can attest to the fact that it doesn't matter if it says it's Dominican on the box, people do not read. Therefore, are suckered into thinking they are getting a Cuban Cohiba. And the strange, cryptic response from the the guy you asked doesn't help.

I am a hardliner when it comes to these things.

As you well know Cuban trademarks are not recognized in the United States. In the most recent case a Federal District judge has ruled for a second time in favor of Cubatobacco. But his original almost identical ruling was overturned on appeal. The appellate court ruled that due to the embargo a Cuban company could not own property in the US and that a trademark was property.

The company producing the "Cohiba" in question is most likely not even General Tobacco, but a small producer just trying to make a buck.

Anyone thinking they are buying a genuine Cuban Cohiba in a US B&M deserves whatever they get.

What about the other Cuban cigar names that are used by General or Altadis? Punch, Partagas, El Rey Del Mundo and others were originally owned by individuals in Cuba. Many left after the revolution because their property had been taken by the Cuban government.

I dont see this as a black and white issue, both sides have some legitimacy to their claims.

[jerseystepup]

NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

Originally Posted by bobarian

As you well know Cuban trademarks are not recognized in the United States. In the most recent case a Federal District judge has ruled for a second time in favor of Cubatobacco. But his original almost identical ruling was overturned on appeal. The appellate court ruled that due to the embargo a Cuban company could not own property in the US and that a trademark was property.

The company producing the "Cohiba" in question is most likely not even General Tobacco, but a small producer just trying to make a buck.

Anyone thinking they are buying a genuine Cuban Cohiba in a US B&M deserves whatever they get.

What about the other Cuban cigar names that are used by General or Altadis? Punch, Partagas, El Rey Del Mundo and others were originally owned by individuals in Cuba. Many left after the revolution because their property had been taken by the Cuban government.

I dont see this as a black and white issue, both sides have some legitimacy to their claims.

I didnt think that I was buying a Cuban cigar, I did think that it was a real Cohiba though, but not from Cuba.

Originally Posted by jerseystepup

NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

He isnt trying to sell them as Cuban, but he did make a sign using Cohibas name so he is trying to use the name. I think he truly believes they are Cohiba. noone else seems to think so.

[Bubba - NJ]

Originally Posted by jerseystepup

NOWHERE on the boxes, nor on the sticks is the word "cohiba" anywhere... yes the symbol is there... but look at the "fleur de lis" its everywhere in the cigar world.. so theyre just using the symbol... other than that the cigar is not claiming to be a cohiba... sketchy marketing in my opinion... but again no where does this stick claim to be from cuba or say cohiba

Thats what I was thinking as I read every post in this thread . They don't say Cohiba anywhere . These are just as bad as the 3 Siglos line IMHOP . Every time I see a cigar like this in a shop , I stay far away .

From what I was told the company did use the name Cohiba but stopped after the trademark dispute. I think what I was told was that they are now using the name Gran Reserva or something like it. I think that was also on all of the boxes on at the B&M where I got them from. And I know that Cohiba in Cuba makes a Gran Reserva for the record.

[SmokinApe]

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[md4958]

oh look, a band from the '70s:

Standard Band B 1970-1993

It must be fake. All that damn Cubatabaco propaganda!!

[nayslayer]

damm, one person asking for help ends up to be a ball bustin session..ah sat night..thats right

[s15driftking]

Originally Posted by nayslayer

damm, one person asking for help ends up to be a ball bustin session..ah sat night..thats right

Ball busting is a good thing, we are men. But seriously, no one should take offense to some good ole "joshing around". If you are offendied, i apologize on anyone's behalf.

Originally Posted by s15driftking

Ball busting is a good thing, we are men. But seriously, no one should take offense to some good ole "joshing around". If you are offendied, i apologize on anyone's behalf.

Not at all, bust away lol.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by nayslayer

damm, one person asking for help ends up to be a ball bustin session..ah sat night..thats right

We gotta get some entertainment on a Saturday night somehow...