Ban on tobacco urged in military

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Their reasoning is that it costs the Fed. Gov. a lot of money to treat smoking related illness.

Absolutely.

And obesity is an ""epidemic"" -

•63% of Americans are overweight with a BMI in excess of 25.0
•31% are obese with a BMI in excess of 30.0
•Childhood obesity has more than tripled in the past two decades
•Obesity is responsible for 300,000 deaths every year.

Ever notice that 90 people got the swine flu and EVERYBODY was wearing masks???

Talk about retarded.

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

[Flat4boxer]

Originally Posted by Aldebaran

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

You can't have "tons" of "conservative, republican and even some centrist support" from a democratically controlled house and senate.

The numbers just don't support "tons". You might get away with "one or two jumping ship" but not "tons".

Originally Posted by Flat4boxer

You can't have "tons" of "conservative, republican and even some centrist support" from a democratically controlled house and senate.

The numbers just don't support "tons". You might get away with "one or two jumping ship" but not "tons".

Tons in this instance is not indicative of majority of the entire political spectrum but rather enough to oppose an argument that it is always "liberals" that are blocking or impeding smoking freedoms.

I mean on the S-CHIP bill one quarters of republicans voted for and the other three quarters werent always against the principle of the bill but rather the extremity of it. This isnt the case for the Senate though in that particular vote.

The FDA being able to regulate tobacco was passed 79 for 17 against. If we were to assume that the then 59 democrats voted for it then , a majority of the Republican Senate was still in favor of it.

For example Utah a majoirty republican state passes anti-smoking law, same with my state Arizona.

I'm not liberal at all, but it just irks me when I see pointless namecalling, pigeonholing and general ignorance of a subject. If you really want to smoke in peace you are going to have to know your enemy and not just assume who they are.

In fact I would say recent lobbying has more of an impact on anti-tobacco law than liberals.

edit

I wrote this a bit hastily, so sorry for any incoherence.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes

Is a carpet bagger a new yorker? I'm neither a southerner or a yankee, but from what I understand you folks in NC have had A LOT of yankees moving down to your state.

New Yorkers or Yankees in general.





I didn't mean to turn this political, but most true Southerners are conservative in their politics, while most Yankees are Liberal in their politics. Not stereotyping anyone or trying to start a political debate. But most country folk are pro-gun, pro-smoking, while many yankees (big city ones) are anti-gun, anti-smoking.

Big city people vs. country people. This is the true TWO AMERICAS.

[ActionAndy]

Originally Posted by andysutherland

New Yorkers or Yankees in general.





I didn't mean to turn this political, but most true Southerners are conservative in their politics, while most Yankees are Liberal in their politics. Not stereotyping anyone or trying to start a political debate. But most country folk are pro-gun, pro-smoking, while many yankees (big city ones) are anti-gun, anti-smoking.

Big city people vs. country people. This is the true TWO AMERICAS.

And there's a lot of people living in New York who say "how'd I get surrounded by fools?" on a day to day basis.

[SmokeyJoe]

Originally Posted by Aldebaran

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

[mikeyj23]

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

[hornitosmonster]

Originally Posted by Aldebaran

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

Not bashing liberals...bashing the slow erosion of our rights. The USA was turning into a Nanny state long before Obama...

I do not think any of us can say that this is the same USA of our childhood...

[Dunkel]

This is typical governmental head up the rectum thinking. The men and women who fight for our freedoms are going to be denied a freedom as basic as enjoying a tobacco product? Welcome to Nazi Germany 2.0

[macms]

If this comes to pass I will be a criminal.

(Proud member of the vast Right Wing Conspiracy.)

[kelmac07]

Originally Posted by macms

If this comes to pass I will be a criminal.

(Proud member of the vast Right Wing Conspiracy.)

Fred the "Outlaw"!!!

What would Churchill say about this?

Very good interactive election result map. You can change parameters and base data.
Try this. It is enlightening.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/re.../explorer.html

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Very good interactive election result map. You can change parameters and base data.
Try this. It is enlightening.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/re.../explorer.html

More blue in 2008 than the 2004 election.

Originally Posted by andysutherland

More blue in 2008 than the 2004 election.

Obviously.
If you zoom the controls to rich vs poor, densely populated vs less populated, etc, you get interesting patterns.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Obviously.

Considering the outcome of the election, I guess it would be quite obvious.
I wasn't thinking when I made that last post.

[ScottieM]

I don't think they have the Balls to do this. I can see them banning the sale of all Tobacco products on post but, Outlawing something thats legal? Not gonna happen.

[ucla695]

Ridiculous!

[icantbejon]

Never happen, not in a million years