Non Lethal Self Protection Advice - Page 4

loki · 07-10-2009, 09:04 AM

.357 mag. screw non-lethal

07-10-2009, 09:14 AM

Please help me understand the dog option. Unless it's a trained attack dog I wouldn't want to count on a dog.

Don't get me wrong I love dogs and have two.

elderboy02 · 07-10-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ahc4353

Please help me understand the dog option. Unless it's a trained attack dog I wouldn't want to count on a dog.

Don't get me wrong I love dogs and have two.

+1. Dogs generally won't bite on a consistent basis unless trained to do so.

Savor the Stick · 07-10-2009, 09:36 AM

To add something else:
A gun is just a tool...the great equalizer in the hands of a 98 lb grandmother, trained and willing, able to use it it equals things out with a 240lb 6'.5" foot aggressor.
A gun equals the playing field.
This is the world we live in.

07-10-2009, 10:04 AM

And now she has to spend money to defend her rights. It's a sad world.

awsmith4 · 07-10-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ahc4353

And now she has to spend money to defend her rights. It's a sad world.

I agree Al, hell they have already had to buy cameras after living there for almost 40 years, replace all the stuff he broke, he even stole the hubcaps off their '94 Toyota Camry, the first damage to that car ever (15 years and hardly a scratch). They have had to replace flowers and shrubs that were torn up by dingleberry, all these things prompted the cameras because without proof the police could not do anything.

07-10-2009, 04:26 PM

Get her to carry then use the Chuck Taylor rules: 2 in the chest 1 in the head.

WyoBob · 07-10-2009, 05:05 PM

A handgun would be my choice but possibly not a good choice for your MIL. Most women have trouble racking the slide on a semi-auto and a Glock 36 (45 ACP) might be a bit much in the recoil department for her due to it's light weight. A revolver is simpler for newcomer's to start with but the trigger pull on some D.A. revolver's is pretty heavy. My wife can shoot my little Kahr CW9 (9mm double action, very concealable semi-auto) but has trouble with the double action trigger on my Ruger SP101 (.357/.38 Special). She can't come close to racking the slide on the Kahr, though. If your MIL gets interested in a handgun, I'd recommend a 9mm. The S&W M&P semi-auto 9mm is a pretty soft shooter and has adjustable grip inserts to accommodate different hands of different sizes. 9mm defensive loads have come a long way and pretty much close the gap between handgun calibers, IMO. A miss with a 45 isn't as good as a few hits with a 9mm (Speer 124 gr Gold Dots, for instance.)

Shooting any handgun well requires a commitment to learn the manual of arms and to practice on a regular basis. As has been pointed out, even police officer's with training have trouble hitting accurately when the pressure is on. It would be great if you could get her interested in shooting but, even if this happens, she still has a lot to overcome if she's worried about shooting someone.

I like the idea of a well trained dog. For in the house, a 20 gauge shotgun would probably be better if she will not commit to handgun training but she would still need to train with the shotgun. Having a shotgun outside while gardening would be a problem, IMO. She might want to give up outside activities until things settle down.

I sure hope everything works out. No one should have these kinds of worries in their own home.

WyoBob

Genetic Defect · 07-10-2009, 11:07 AM

I tend to avoid glock, go with Sprinfield Armory, Kimber, HK or Sig Sauer

white_s2k · 07-10-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito

I tend to avoid glock, go with Sprinfield Armory, Kimber, HK or Sig Sauer

07-10-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito

I tend to avoid glock, go with Sprinfield Armory, Kimber, HK or Sig Sauer

Why do you avoid Glock?

replicant_argent · 07-10-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by darkninja67

Why do you avoid Glock?

Perry dislikes weapons that are extremely reliable, go bang every time, and are ugly.

He also has "issues" with tupperware.....He was force to go to too many parties as a child, and those freezie pop things never worked out for him.

07-10-2009, 09:46 PM

Take her to the gun store. Give her every Glock under the counter and which ever one fits best get it. There will be one that fits in her hand like it was made for her. Mine happen to be the 17/19. Then have her train with it. Glocks are the most user friendly pistols out there. No decocker, no safety just bang and that is what you need. when the chips are down and you are fighting for your life you dont need an extra variable to worry about (ie external safety.)

-Zach

Genetic Defect · 07-10-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Perry dislikes weapons that are extremely reliable, go bang every time, and are ugly.

He also has "issues" with tupperware.....He was force to go to too many parties as a child, and those freezie pop things never worked out for him.

*shivers*

Wolfgang · 07-10-2009, 09:53 PM

24" telescoping billy club. easily snap an arm with one wack

kydsid · 07-11-2009, 06:29 AM

If you are really considering the expense of an electric fence? Why not just hire Wackenhut to put a guy on a stool with a .45 in you MIL's yard?

loki · 07-11-2009, 10:30 PM

have we ruled out a mine field and a flame thrower?

Genetic Defect · 07-11-2009, 10:33 PM

07-12-2009, 12:07 AM

And don't forget a Backhoe to "clean up" the "mess"

awsmith4 · 07-12-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kydsid

If you are really considering the expense of an electric fence? Why not just hire Wackenhut to put a guy on a stool with a .45 in you MIL's yard?

Electric bull fence top wires only run about $100, but no that is not an option we were considering. However the wackenhut idea isn't bad either

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Originally Posted by loki

have we ruled out a mine field and a flame thrower?

Mine field might get the cats but flame thrower is still on the table

07-10-2009, 09:04 AM	#1
loki H.A.T.E Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh pa Posts: 1,484 Trading: (7)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice .357 mag. screw non-lethal

07-10-2009, 09:14 AM	#2
ahc4353 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice Please help me understand the dog option. Unless it's a trained attack dog I wouldn't want to count on a dog. Don't get me wrong I love dogs and have two.

07-10-2009, 09:36 AM	#4
Savor the Stick ~Loves the Lord~ Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kevin, or just K Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Posts: 1,945 Trading: (67)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice To add something else: A gun is just a tool...the great equalizer in the hands of a 98 lb grandmother, trained and willing, able to use it it equals things out with a 240lb 6'.5" foot aggressor. A gun equals the playing field. This is the world we live in. __________________ Pastor K Please Support the Troops

07-10-2009, 10:04 AM	#5
ahc4353 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice And now she has to spend money to defend her rights. It's a sad world.

07-10-2009, 04:26 PM	#7
darkninja67 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice Get her to carry then use the Chuck Taylor rules: 2 in the chest 1 in the head.

07-10-2009, 05:05 PM	#8
WyoBob Still Watching My Back Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bob Location: Buffalo, WY Posts: 155 Trading: (1)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice A handgun would be my choice but possibly not a good choice for your MIL. Most women have trouble racking the slide on a semi-auto and a Glock 36 (45 ACP) might be a bit much in the recoil department for her due to it's light weight. A revolver is simpler for newcomer's to start with but the trigger pull on some D.A. revolver's is pretty heavy. My wife can shoot my little Kahr CW9 (9mm double action, very concealable semi-auto) but has trouble with the double action trigger on my Ruger SP101 (.357/.38 Special). She can't come close to racking the slide on the Kahr, though. If your MIL gets interested in a handgun, I'd recommend a 9mm. The S&W M&P semi-auto 9mm is a pretty soft shooter and has adjustable grip inserts to accommodate different hands of different sizes. 9mm defensive loads have come a long way and pretty much close the gap between handgun calibers, IMO. A miss with a 45 isn't as good as a few hits with a 9mm (Speer 124 gr Gold Dots, for instance.) Shooting any handgun well requires a commitment to learn the manual of arms and to practice on a regular basis. As has been pointed out, even police officer's with training have trouble hitting accurately when the pressure is on. It would be great if you could get her interested in shooting but, even if this happens, she still has a lot to overcome if she's worried about shooting someone. I like the idea of a well trained dog. For in the house, a 20 gauge shotgun would probably be better if she will not commit to handgun training but she would still need to train with the shotgun. Having a shotgun outside while gardening would be a problem, IMO. She might want to give up outside activities until things settle down. I sure hope everything works out. No one should have these kinds of worries in their own home. WyoBob

07-10-2009, 11:07 AM	#9
Genetic Defect difetosso Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Perry Location: An elevator Posts: 5,202 Trading: (5)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice I tend to avoid glock, go with Sprinfield Armory, Kimber, HK or Sig Sauer __________________ I'm an outcast riding into town alone I got wanderlust branded deeper than the bone

07-10-2009, 09:46 PM	#13
Diesel Kinevel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice Take her to the gun store. Give her every Glock under the counter and which ever one fits best get it. There will be one that fits in her hand like it was made for her. Mine happen to be the 17/19. Then have her train with it. Glocks are the most user friendly pistols out there. No decocker, no safety just bang and that is what you need. when the chips are down and you are fighting for your life you dont need an extra variable to worry about (ie external safety.) -Zach

07-10-2009, 09:53 PM	#15
Wolfgang Back from the dead Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 2,541 Trading: (14)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice 24" telescoping billy club. easily snap an arm with one wack __________________ You probably wont remember that test you failed, but you'll never forget the girl you were with the night before, when you decided not to study.

07-11-2009, 06:29 AM	#16
kydsid Ditat Deus Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Jason Location: Among the Pines Posts: 2,361 Trading: (46)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice If you are really considering the expense of an electric fence? Why not just hire Wackenhut to put a guy on a stool with a .45 in you MIL's yard?

07-11-2009, 10:30 PM	#17
loki H.A.T.E Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pittsburgh pa Posts: 1,484 Trading: (7)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice have we ruled out a mine field and a flame thrower?

07-11-2009, 10:33 PM	#18
Genetic Defect difetosso Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Perry Location: An elevator Posts: 5,202 Trading: (5)	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice __________________ I'm an outcast riding into town alone I got wanderlust branded deeper than the bone

07-12-2009, 12:07 AM	#19
BillyCigars Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Non Lethal Self Protection Advice And don't forget a Backhoe to "clean up" the "mess"