H.R. 45 firearm registration bill - Page 2

02-25-2009, 01:00 PM

Sounds like more reason for me to stock up on firearms, just in case I have to provide some for people in an "emergency".

Oh, and ammo and reloading supplies too (which for some reason are in seriously short supply lately).

Sauer Grapes · 02-25-2009, 07:43 PM

Also... registration is unnecessary in the prevention of straw purchases. If a gun used in a crime is found, and they haven't completely removed the serial number beyond restoration, then the ATF has the ability to trace the history of the gun back to any purchase that took place through an FFL, and a lot of times even some purchases that weren't through an FFL. They are able to catch straw purchasers now without registration.

Genetic Defect · 02-25-2009, 10:18 PM

I am out of this one ....

BigAl_SC · 02-26-2009, 10:35 AM

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I am out of this one ....

While I have definite opinions on where this bill is leading, I agree that as this has the potential to go from gun control to political, I am also out of this one as of now.

white_s2k · 02-26-2009, 09:56 AM

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

taltos · 02-26-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by white_s2k

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

Lazarus Long? Have to read him again.

02-26-2009, 10:18 AM

"Freedom isn't free, slavery is." -- Me

02-26-2009, 01:44 PM

"Time Enough for Love"
A most excellent book.

02-27-2009, 10:34 AM

I heard that the reason they want to ban "assault rifles" is to keep "sophisticated weapons" from USA going to MEXICAN drug criminals. This is so absurd on so many levels that only a government propagandist could come up with it.
Since when is a cheap Chinese AK47 a "sophisticated weapon" anyway?

357 · 02-27-2009, 06:46 PM

For those who see no risk in registration, see England, Canada, and Austraila as examples. Registration is usually followed by confiscation. Once they have a list, it's much easier.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

- Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46

- James Madison

M1903A1 · 02-27-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I heard that the reason they want to ban "assault rifles" is to keep "sophisticated weapons" from USA going to MEXICAN drug criminals. This is so absurd on so many levels that only a government propagandist could come up with it.
Since when is a cheap Chinese AK47 a "sophisticated weapon" anyway?

Ironically, as I understand it, a selective-fire AK is actually CHEAPER on the world market ($150-200?) than any semiauto AK you could find in the States. And there's literally tens of millions of them out there.

357 · 02-27-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by M1903A1

Ironically, as I understand it, a selective-fire AK is actually CHEAPER on the world market ($150-200?) than any semiauto AK you could find in the States. And there's literally tens of millions of them out there.

I've read you can buy full-auto AKs in Iraq for $50, and it's 100% legal.

M1903A1 · 02-27-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 357

I've read you can buy full-auto AKs in Iraq for $50, and it's 100% legal.

I remember reading you could buy some of that stuff legally even in the Hussein era. (That's IF you had the money of course, and when the authorities have PKMs and RPGs, an AK is slim pickings in comparison!)

Nick · 02-27-2009, 06:57 PM

The problem with this bill is that it does not target criminals or outlaws. Most gun legislation does not attack the black market or illegal trafficking of guns which it should. It targets honest everyday citizens and their wallets. I could pull up some stats from Australia and how their crime rate has gone through the roof since they banned guns but I'll let some one else do that.

02-27-2009, 08:57 PM

All of the vids and pictures of Mexican drug criminals showed them with some kind of AK variant. They are very cheap and available anywhere but here.

TheRiddick · 02-27-2009, 09:09 PM

I never wanted to buy a gun before, but all this non-sense lately is making me rethink this. I'll probably buy one soon.

02-25-2009, 01:00 PM	#1
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill Sounds like more reason for me to stock up on firearms, just in case I have to provide some for people in an "emergency". Oh, and ammo and reloading supplies too (which for some reason are in seriously short supply lately).

02-25-2009, 07:43 PM	#2
Sauer Grapes Snatchin' yo people up Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,235 Trading: (44)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill Also... registration is unnecessary in the prevention of straw purchases. If a gun used in a crime is found, and they haven't completely removed the serial number beyond restoration, then the ATF has the ability to trace the history of the gun back to any purchase that took place through an FFL, and a lot of times even some purchases that weren't through an FFL. They are able to catch straw purchasers now without registration.

02-25-2009, 10:18 PM	#3
Genetic Defect difetosso Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Perry Location: An elevator Posts: 5,202 Trading: (5)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill I am out of this one .... __________________ I'm an outcast riding into town alone I got wanderlust branded deeper than the bone

02-26-2009, 09:56 AM	#5
white_s2k The Dude Abides Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Josh Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,052 Trading: (20)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein __________________ "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." – Robert A. Heinlein

02-26-2009, 10:18 AM	#7
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill "Freedom isn't free, slavery is." -- Me

02-26-2009, 01:44 PM	#8
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill "Time Enough for Love" A most excellent book.

02-27-2009, 10:34 AM	#9
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill I heard that the reason they want to ban "assault rifles" is to keep "sophisticated weapons" from USA going to MEXICAN drug criminals. This is so absurd on so many levels that only a government propagandist could come up with it. Since when is a cheap Chinese AK47 a "sophisticated weapon" anyway?

02-27-2009, 06:46 PM	#10
357 Will herf for food Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mike Location: Home is where I park it Posts: 4,075 Trading: (9)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill For those who see no risk in registration, see England, Canada, and Austraila as examples. Registration is usually followed by confiscation. Once they have a list, it's much easier. "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46 - James Madison __________________ “Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar;” Mark Twain

02-27-2009, 06:57 PM	#14
Nick Feeling at Home Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: That's confidential Location: Cali Posts: 623 Trading: (4)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill The problem with this bill is that it does not target criminals or outlaws. Most gun legislation does not attack the black market or illegal trafficking of guns which it should. It targets honest everyday citizens and their wallets. I could pull up some stats from Australia and how their crime rate has gone through the roof since they banned guns but I'll let some one else do that. __________________ "Kid Pipe" -Thanks Moo "A wise woman never separates a man from his pipe", Laurette Taylor

02-27-2009, 08:57 PM	#15
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill All of the vids and pictures of Mexican drug criminals showed them with some kind of AK variant. They are very cheap and available anywhere but here.

02-27-2009, 09:09 PM	#16
TheRiddick Non-believer Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Greg Location: Las Vegas Posts: 943 Trading: (7)	Re: H.R. 45 firearm registration bill I never wanted to buy a gun before, but all this non-sense lately is making me rethink this. I'll probably buy one soon.