Boycotting the NFL in 2012

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by OLS

What did the Patriots get for cheating? I am not saying that anyone's health
was at risk in their cheating scam, I am asking what did they get? Do you remember?

comparing apples to oranges here bud.

We are talking about PEOPLES health and lives here, not cheating.

Thats like comparing robbery to murder if you will, they will get different punishments obviously.

[Islayphile]

Originally Posted by OLS

What did the Patriots get for cheating? I am not saying that anyone's health
was at risk in their cheating scam, I am asking what did they get? Do you remember?

I believe that Beli was fined 500k and the team was fined 250k

He wasn't suspensed however

[taltos]

Originally Posted by Islayphile

I believe that Beli was fined 500k and the team was fined 250k

He wasn't suspensed however

They also lost a first round draft pick. I am going to give the Saints as much sympathy as the Pats got which is 0.

[yourchoice]

Originally Posted by OLS

NO ONE HAS EVER gotten a punishment like this
in the history of the league. It's extreme and I don't like it.

There have been a lot of individual punishments that were a year or longer. First to come to mind for me are Paul Hornung and Alex Karas. Of course I read "no one" as individuals, whereas if you said "no team", I would agree. But no team has been caught like this, so it makes sense no team has had this severe of a punishment.

Here's a list of one year and greater punishments handed out by the NFL (as of 2007 (LINK)).

Originally Posted by USA Today

Life - Art Schlichter, Indianapolis, gambling, suspended for one year on June 1983. Was released following the 1985 season; pleaded guilty to an illegal gambling charge April 1, 1987. NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle did not reinstate after Schlichter applied for permission to re-sign.

Life - Stanley Wilson, Cincinnati, substance abuse, suspended Jan. 22, 1989; permanently banned May 15, 1989.

Life - Earl Ferrell, Phoenix, 1990, substance abuse, voluntarily retired.

Life (reinstated after 1 year) - Dexter Manley, Washington, substance abuse, Nov. 18, 1989.

Life (reinstated after 1 year) - Frank Warren, New Orleans, substance abuse, April 13, 1990.

Life (reinstated after 1 year) - Terry Taylor, Detroit, substance abuse, Sept. 20, 1990.

Two years - Tony Collins, Indianapolis, substance abuse, Aug. 13, 1988-July 11, 1990.

Two years - R. Jay Soward, Jacksonville, substance abuse (four games), June 8, 2001; extended another six games Oct. 10, 2001 by NFL. Then Jaguars suspended him for four games, personal conduct, Dec. 7, 2001. Suspended for the next season Jan. 9, 2002.

1 year, 10 months - Darrell Russell, Oakland, substance abuse, Jan. 2, 2002-Oct. 28, 2003. Suspended indefinitely July 26, 2004 for substance abuse, two weeks after cut by Tampa Bay.

1 1/2 years - Stanley Wilson, Cincinnati, substance abuse, Oct. 30, 1984-May 8, 1986.

1 1/2 years - Dale Carter, Denver, substance abuse, April 25, 2000-Nov. 7, 2001.

16 games - Leon Lett, Dallas, substance abuse, final three games of 1996 and the following season, Dec. 3, 1996.

1 year - Paul Hornung, Green Bay, gambling, 1963 season.

1 year - Alex Karas, Detroit, gambling, 1963 season.

1 year - Mike Reilly, L.A. Rams, substance abuse, 1983.

1 year - Stanley Wilson, Cincinnati, substance abuse, June 24, 1987 (served 10 months).

1 year - Tim Worley, Pittsburgh, substance abuse, April 29, 1992.

1 year - Chuck Levy, Arizona, substance abuse, Aug. 25, 1995.

1 year - Carlton Haselrig, N.Y. Jets, substance abuse, Nov. 27, 1995.

1 year - Roosevelt Potts, Indianapolis, substance abuse, Aug. 20, 1996.

1 year - Larry Webster, Baltimore, substance abuse, Aug. 20, 1996.

1 year - Josh Evans, Tennessee, substance abuse, June 20, 2000.

1 year - Tyrone Robertson, Buffalo, substance abuse, Dec. 10, 2002.

1 year - Onterrio Smith, Minnesota, substance abuse, June 7, 2005.

1 year - Kendyll Pope, Indianapolis, substance abuse, Aug. 31, 2005.

1 year - Ricky Williams, Miami, substance abuse, April 25, 2006.

1 year - Odell Thurman, Cincinnati, substance abuse (four games), July 26, 2006; extended for one year Sept. 27, following his arrest on a drunken-driving charge.

1 year - Koren Robinson, Green Bay, substance abuse, Oct. 17, 2006.

1 year - Adam "Pacman" Jones, Tennessee, personal conduct, April 10, 2007.

[OLS]

Smitty, it's called reading comprehension, look into it, lol. WAY at the top of the page, you asked
why they should be above the law? Who ever said anything remotely like that? I am saying the penalty
is far too harsh for a league based on violence. AND that I am not going to watch it out of protest based
on that opinion.

In your question of apples and oranges, I clearly stated that I knew one was not like the other,
and asked you if you remembered the penalty for the Patriots. Apparently you did not.
Of course you were simply trying to LEAD me to answer that no one had ever DONE anything
like this and been caught, to which you would reply "hence the unprecedented punishment."
But I am too smart for you.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by OLS

Smitty, it's called reading comprehension, look into it, lol. WAY at the top of the page, you asked
why they should be above the law? Who ever said anything remotely like that? I am saying the penalty
is far too harsh for a league based on violence. AND that I am not going to watch it out of protest based
on that opinion.

In your question of apples and oranges, I clearly stated that I knew one was not like the other,
and asked you if you remembered the penalty for the Patriots. Apparently you did not.
Of course you were simply trying to LEAD me to answer that no one had ever DONE anything
like this and been caught, to which you would reply "hence the unprecedented punishment."
But I am too smart for you.

Whatever you say bud. They broke the rules and got caught. They knew what could happen and obviously didn't care. Deal with it, it is what it is.

[OLS]

Originally Posted by smitty81

Deal with it, it is what it is.

I AM dealing with it. I even started a thread to state how I was going to deal with it.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by OLS

I AM dealing with it. I even started a thread to state how I was going to deal with it.

Sounds more like a disgruntled fan to me. I think it's a fair punishment and I would feel the same way if I was a Saints fan too.

It's my un-biased opinion. I neither like nor hate the Saints.

[Powers]

At least you still have LSU

And SEC football is way more fun to watch anyhow

[OLS]

Originally Posted by Powers

At least you still have LSU

And SEC football is way more fun to watch anyhow

It's ALL I have left, Powski....

[oooo35980]

Originally Posted by Powers

At least you still have LSU

And SEC football is way more fun to watch anyhow

QFT, I haven't been able to muster up enough interest to watch the NFL in years.

[AD720]

re: the patriots

I think everyone (except Jets fans ) can admit that it was a similar thing - everyone was doing it but they got caught so they got punished.

[shilala]

Brad, I thought the Saints penalties were crazy severe, as well.
I think the one thing you're missing, or didn't really get here, is that it's not that "there were warnings".
They were caught by the NFL and told to cut the sh1t out.
They ignored it.
Then, in a time while the league was under microscopic scrutiny and loaded down with concussion-related lawsuits, this came to light again.
You can bet your bottom dollar the lawsuits played a large part in the severity of the penalties. The Saints earned those penalties for being flat stupid, putting the league in jeopardy, and being stupid.

If this all comes to light 10 years ago, it means nothing. I'll argue all day long that it's a part of football, at least to a point. You don't go out and Theismann a guy just because you can, but if you're not exploiting injury to win a game, you ain't trying.

As much as I disagree with the severity of the penalties, and as much as I think they're a sham, I think you and I can agree that the Saints earned a penalty for being stupid. That stuff belongs in the locker room, not on national tv.
THEY forced Goodell's hand. Proof? He didn't do dick to them the FIRST time they were caught. They backed him right into a corner this time, and he had to be severe to show that "The NFL takes a blah, blah stance, player safety blah" because that's what is going to minimize the checks the NFL has to write for all the concussion and player safety lawsuits they are currently fighting.

Don't blame the NFL, even if they are corporate hogs. The Saints brought this one on themselves, lock, stock and barrel.
If you need any more proof that the Saints are stupid, Drew Brees does not have a contract. He hasn't signed signed the franchise tender. Right now, the Saints don't have Drew Brees. Now THAT'S stupid. If I were Brees, and that's what that club thought of me, I'd be on vacation with you this season.

[RWhisenand]

Wow,
Let me preface my comment by stating that I'm not really a football fan but I can't believe that paying players to purposly injury an opponent, possible ending his career is at all acceptable.

I'd think of nothing less then a lifetime ban for those involved, and if it were up to me a fine too.

The NFL, from the outside, looks like a trashy organization ATM.

As far as a boycott, fine I didn't like it in the first place...

[OLS]

Originally Posted by RWhisenand

t I can't believe that paying players to purposly injury an opponent, possible ending his career is at all acceptable...

I want to stay out of this as much as possible now that it is clear I am of the major minority opinion, (?) ,
but the wording of this above is difficult for me to parse. I think what you are actually SEEING every Sunday,
from EVERY team is a defense that is purposely trying to hit an opponent so hard that he stays on the
sidelines....a bounty merely pays EXTRA for it. Trying to end a career is certainly a messed up aim
that all players will tell you in public is NOT what they want. But fans are naive if they think that these
guys are not trying to get the first string out of the game as soon as possible, it simply makes it easier
to win games and I would bet they are encouraged to do it 5 days a week.

However at the same time I also think that if you have not played pro football, you don't have a CLUE what
they think or what actually goes on inside a pro locker room/meeting room. So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by OLS

I want to stay out of this as much as possible now that it is clear I am of the major minority opinion, (?) ,
but the wording of this above is difficult for me to parse. I think what you are actually SEEING every Sunday,
from EVERY team is a defense that is purposely trying to hit an opponent so hard that he stays on the
sidelines....a bounty merely pays EXTRA for it. Trying to end a career is certainly a messed up aim
that all players will tell you in public is NOT what they want. But fans are naive if they think that these
guys are not trying to get the first string out of the game as soon as possible, it simply makes it easier
to win games and I would bet they are encouraged to do it 5 days a week.

However at the same time I also think that if you have not played pro football, you don't have a CLUE what
they think or what actually goes on inside a pro locker room/meeting room. So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think.

There is a difference between playing a clean game and getting a nice hit on the person with the ball and going out on the field with a particular person targeted that you are trying to physically hurt just because. And then we can throw in that the coach is paying the player to target another player to inflict physical injury just to take him out of the game.

You seem to fail to see the difference between the two and it makes you feel better to say that everyone is doing it.

No, not everyone is doing it.

There are still some class acts out there that get good clean hits and just play the game.

[yourchoice]

Originally Posted by OLS

I want to stay out of this as much as possible now that it is clear I am of the major minority opinion, (?) ,
but the wording of this above is difficult for me to parse. I think what you are actually SEEING every Sunday,
from EVERY team is a defense that is purposely trying to hit an opponent so hard that he stays on the
sidelines....a bounty merely pays EXTRA for it. Trying to end a career is certainly a messed up aim
that all players will tell you in public is NOT what they want. But fans are naive if they think that these
guys are not trying to get the first string out of the game as soon as possible, it simply makes it easier
to win games and I would bet they are encouraged to do it 5 days a week.

However at the same time I also think that if you have not played pro football, you don't have a CLUE what
they think or what actually goes on inside a pro locker room/meeting room. So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think.

Your opinions of the aims of players is speculation too, Brad. So not only do I/we not have a clue, but, no offense, neither do you! It's ALL speculation!

[OLS]

Originally Posted by yourchoice

Your opinions of the aims of players is speculation too, Brad. So not only do I/we not have a clue, but, no offense, neither do you! It's ALL speculation!

Yep, that's why I specifically stated this "So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think."

[OLS]

Originally Posted by yourchoice

Your opinions of the aims of players is speculation too, Brad. So not only do I/we not have a clue, but, no offense, neither do you! It's ALL speculation!

Yep, that's why I specifically stated this "So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think."

What's more, I think Roger Goodell killed Trayvon Martin....This Zimmerman guy is just a patsy.

[OLS]

Not going to watch any of it.