NHL '11 - '12 Thread

[Ahbroody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV4Ew...e_gdata_player
Mike when the punch to the back of the head is delivered the puck is in Zs feet. The hulk smash occurs maybe 2-3 seconds after that and is a continuation. Weber has no idea the puck has left he is in the moment and has gone over the edge. Come on man. Im not saying its not dirty. It is dirty. I am saying its playoff hockey and I can see why the league sees it as a Weber just going over the edge. As opposed to Bitz which was calculated. I could see a game, but no injury and playoffs equals fine. The puck traveled that 30 feet in 1 second mike. 1 second. Okay maybe 2 seconds tops. About the length of time it took Weber to give some Nashville fans a very close look at Zs lips.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV4Ew...e_gdata_player
Mike when the punch to the back of the head is delivered the puck is in Zs feet. The hulk smash occurs maybe 2-3 seconds after that and is a continuation. Weber has no idea the puck has left he is in the moment and has gone over the edge. Come on man. Im not saying its not dirty. It is dirty. I am saying its playoff hockey and I can see why the league sees it as a Weber just going over the edge. As opposed to Bitz which was calculated. I could see a game, but no injury and playoffs equals fine. The puck traveled that 30 feet in 1 second mike. 1 second. Okay maybe 2 seconds tops. About the length of time it took Weber to give some Nashville fans a very close look at Zs lips.

What you're not mentioning is this all occurred after the game had ended. In as much as Bitz's hit ended up being illegal, and he should be suspended for it, he was also just trying to clean out an opposing player to free a puck being fought for on the boards. That play happens dozens of times each game and is completely valid part of hockey. Bitz's hit was illegal only because Clifford was in a vulernable position at the time of impact and Bitz should have therefore not completed, other than that it was an normal hockey play.

On the other hand there is absolutely no way anyone can claim Weber's head smash on Z to be a "hockey play" with anything resembling a straight face. That is why I say that if the NHL is setting the bar such that an incident like Weber's is not suspendable there is no way an incident like Btiz's should be. To me they are both deserving of suspension, and the fact that Weber wasn't is just another example in a long line of ball drops on the league's behalf.

[357]

Quincy got a 1 game suspension for leaving his feet and hitting Kopecky in the head (as he should BTW):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXKgXGorpU

Weber gets $2500 fine for "turnbuckling" Zetterberg:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiMgjO0EgtE

I see Quincy trying to lay a hit on a guy with the puck. He want too far and hit too high. Not sure if Kopecky finished that game. Kopecky played the following game. Result = Quincy suspension.

Weber, trying to hurt a star player for the Wings who did not provoke him or the Preds, made no play to remove the player from the puck. Result = slap on the wrist fine.

My issue is the inconsistency. One infraction is clearly worse than the other both by intent and by resulting injury; yet the worse offense gets the lighter penalty. I know it's the playoffs but that shouldn't mean no suspensions. IMO they are encouraging this kind of garbage by not giving at least a 1 game suspension.

[icehog3]

I think the Wings should pool together $20,000, and that Kronwall should smash Weber, Suter, Radulov, Erat, Rinne, Hornqvist, Bourque and Kostitsyn's faces all into the glass tomorrow.

[Ahbroody]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I think the Wings should pool together $20,000, and that Kronwall should smash Weber, Suter, Radulov, Erat, Rinne, Hornqvist, Bourque and Kostitsyn's faces all into the glass tomorrow.

I bet theres a pool and Everyone wants to see weber kronwalled. Bertuzzi is the scariest person in the league. The league really has created a powder keg here thinking about it.

[Ahbroody]

Geoff and Mike the league is trying to stop premeditated hits to the head. Where a player sees it and decides hes vulnerable I am going to wreck him. He takes the time goes out of his way and intends to injure. Weber hit very dirty infact arguably more dangerous. Difference is atleast I think is Weber is battling and snaps. Bitz sees a vulnerable player and decides to try to injure. He gets the elbow up takes multiple strides lines up the head and drives the elbow into the face and into the glass.

[mithrilG60]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Geoff and Mike the league is trying to stop premeditated hits to the head. Where a player sees it and decides hes vulnerable I am going to wreck him. He takes the time goes out of his way and intends to injure. Weber hit very dirty infact arguably more dangerous. Difference is atleast I think is Weber is battling and snaps. Bitz sees a vulnerable player and decides to try to injure. He gets the elbow up takes multiple strides lines up the head and drives the elbow into the face and into the glass.

I think you're reading waaaaaaay more intent into the Bitz hit than was ever there. Bitz was braced for a normal shoulder to body impact with a player playing the puck, he was not leading with his elbow. The only reason Bitz's elbow caught Clifford's head was because Clifford was low. Bitz should have absolutely recognized that Clifford was in a vulnerable position and pulled out of the check, the fact that he didn't is why that play was definitely worthy 5 and the game + a suspension. But intent to injure? On a play that in every other sense was a completely normal hockey play that happens dozens of time in every game? And especially when compared to Weber slamming Z's face into the glass after their game had ended? Not a chance.

[357]

Originally Posted by Ahbroody

Geoff and Mike the league is trying to stop premeditated hits to the head. Where a player sees it and decides hes vulnerable I am going to wreck him. He takes the time goes out of his way and intends to injure. Weber hit very dirty infact arguably more dangerous. Difference is atleast I think is Weber is battling and snaps. Bitz sees a vulnerable player and decides to try to injure. He gets the elbow up takes multiple strides lines up the head and drives the elbow into the face and into the glass.

So you're asseting that Weber didn't think that the guy kneeling on the ice in front of him, that he just punched in the back of the head, was in a vulnerable position?

That's the worst argument I've ever heard.

What's worse is yesterday during practice Predator players were reinacting the entire thing, mocking Zetterberg, and IMO the NHL's lame reaction.

http://www.hockeyworldblog.com/2012/...rg-head-smash/

Here's the photo of Andrei Kostitsyn and Shea Weber performing the mock Zetterberg Head Smash:

[GreekGodX]

An intentional face smash into the glass like that and no suspension? Unbelievable. It was not even a hockey play. There is little room for argument for Weber that he did not intend to injure Z on that play. There is no other reason for it. The fine is laughable and will not prevent that from happening again. What does Z need to do? Pretend to be injured next time and get taken out on a stretcher to draw more attention to it? I'm appalled by the NHL's decision.

FLYERS!!! That's all I got!

But in all seriousness, that game was the ultimate roller coaster. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

[Bigwaved]

Good start

[icehog3]

Hawks tie it up with 14.22 seconds left in the 3rd! Seabrook!!

Andrew Shaw with the game winner?

[Ahbroody]

Mike as usual discussing things with you is the moving ever changing discussion. As usual I am walking away after this post as you will just change the focus again.

First you made it sound like the puck was long gone ignoring it was max 2 whole seconds after the puck was in his feet and a continuation of their scrum. After that was exposed as crap by the video u said consistency. Which I didnt disagree with. Again this is worse then the bitz hit, but I already ventured a guess as to y the league didnt suspend here.

Now Z is kneeling on the ice infront of him? I encourage anyone reading this thread to watch the video link and see why debating u is useless. He is not "kneeling on the ice" when Weber goes Hulk smash. You have completely fabricated those facts. His knees are bent slightly but far from the ice. If his knees were on the ice he would need to be taller then Chara to have his face smashed into the glass that high up. Have fun and go stretch the truth about something else.
And to end the lie that is being repeated he did it after the game was over... Here you two go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiMgj...e_gdata_player
There is video proof the buzzer had not yet sounded. So stop lying and saying the game was over. The penalty was issued at 20:00 because that was the stopage of play. I would expect people to understand that.

Was it a dirty hit? Yup. Was it suspendable? Yup. I just said why i didnt think they would and I think I was accurate in what they decided and Y.

Dont know what you want me to say about them mocking. I am not a Preds fan.

[Eleven]

Am I the only one who doesn't think the Hulk Smash was *that* bad?

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Eleven

Am I the only one who doesn't think the Hulk Smash was *that* bad?

It was bush league, I expect more from Weber. Say what they will about fighting and hockey, that was pure WWE.

I also expect to see Kronwall, Berschmoozi and Abdelkader to be throwing it around tonight.

[Eleven]

Bush league is one thing, but it wasn't criminal. People are going nuts over it, and the irony is the team with someone who WAS criminally investigated and charged are the ones whining the most.

I've seen more blatant bush league actions in the first 2 periods of the Pens/Flyers game, but no one is whining, it's playoff hockey.

[yourchoice]

Another very entertaining Flyers/Pens game. Couturier and Giroux each with a hat trick, with the other two Flyer goals coming from former Penguins.

Couturier was especially impressive on both ends of the ice. Malkin was looking frustrated, IMHO.

LET'S GO FLYERS!!!!!

[E.J.]

Though I hitched my wagon to the Pens, this series has been VERY entertaining...

HOLD ON LA!!!!

[Ahbroody]

Originally Posted by E.J.

Though I hitched my wagon to the Pens, this series has been VERY entertaining...

HOLD ON LA!!!!

love the playoffs

Geoff told you it was going to get nasty. I expect it to get worse.

[icehog3]

Never said the Weber incident was criminal, Scott.

I am not a Berschmoozi fan, but in Wings' fans defense, he wasn't on the Wings when the incident happened...he was on the dirtiest team in the league (then and now).

Dustin Brown is my Hero of the Day.