So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... - Page 2

Average Joe · 07-29-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh

Yeah,
The one thing that Im confused on is why are my beads wet? Like wet wet.

They wick moisture from the air if the "air" humidity in the air is greater than that of the beads. In not so confusing terms, 90% humidity in the room with 60% beads on the table, the beads soak water from the air until saturated.

Jasonw560 · 07-29-2011, 06:53 AM

Here's some wood to throw on the fire: Don't forget barometric pressure. Maybe we sghould all add a barometer to our humidificataipon systems, and adjust according to air pressure.

07-29-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasonw560

Here's some wood to throw on the fire: Don't forget barometric pressure. Maybe we sghould all add a barometer to our humidificataipon systems, and adjust according to air pressure.

Assume it's always atmospheric pressure.

Apoco · 07-29-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Assume it's always atmospheric pressure.

Unless you're storing it underneath more than 33 feet of water. For each 33 feet of water stored on top of each cigar one must take an additional bar/ata into consideration. (woooo scuba)

But back on topic - I...actually, I would just rephrase what others have said. The difference isn't very large between 65*F and 75*F and certainly isn't enough to damage anything. And as far as beetles go - FREEZE ALL CIGARS. That is all

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07-29-2011, 10:35 AM

Internet sticks need higher humidity than B&M sticks unless you follow the rule of threes.

pnoon · 07-29-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Internet sticks need higher humidity than B&M sticks unless you follow the rule of threes.

Legendary!
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bonjing · 07-29-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Internet sticks need higher humidity than B&M sticks unless you follow the rule of threes.

but then what happens if I order from a B&M that's also on the internet?

Wait, If I go into a B&M that sells on the internet are they still internet sticks?

I'm so confused

shilala · 07-29-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjing

but then what happens if I order from a B&M that's also on the internet?

Wait, If I go into a B&M that sells on the internet are they still internet sticks?

I'm so confused

I wouldn't go down that road, if I were you. Nobody knows what could happen, it's completely uncharted territory.

CigarNut · 07-29-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Internet sticks need higher humidity than B&M sticks unless you follow the rule of threes.

What is the rule of threes?

poker · 07-29-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CigarNut

What is the rule of threes?

got it?

icehog3 · 07-29-2011, 01:11 PM

My '08s are fully aged!! Woo Hoo!!!!!

shilala · 08-05-2011, 06:29 AM

Mayor, If you have x amount of water vapor in a closed environment, then lower the temp, the humidity will rise because that volume of water is relative to the temperature. It's what is supposed to happen.
To make an adjustment, all you need to do is dry your beads so they'll have more capacity to gather water.
Take note that these changes are not instantaneous. It takes lots of time (read weeks of months) to bring the water out of the cigars and wood. You're not operating a microwave, ya know?
Incremental changes require time and patience. That's what you want, you don't want to change your RH rapidly as it's deliterious to the condition of your cigars. You want water to come out of them very slowly and evenly.
Lastly, colder air is unable to hold as much water as warmer air. It's a basic scientific principle that doesn't change regardless of how you perceive it. If you understand how it works, you can use it to your advantage. If you want me to help you lower that RH, drop me a pm and I'd be more than happy help you through it.

In your case, I'd lower the temp to your desired temp and then use Michael's beads or some sort of water scavenger like Damprid to pull that RH down where you want it.

icehog3 · 08-05-2011, 08:32 AM

My guess is Johnny has active humidification in that Aristocrat rather than beads, Scott.

shilala · 08-05-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

My guess is Johnny has active humidification in that Aristocrat rather than beads, Scott.

I kinda guessed that, Tom. He could bump down the set and forget, then use a bag of beads to pull out the excess water by drying the beads, sucking up water, and repeating the process till he's where he wants to be. I just missed a whole line of thought of two when I was typing, lol. I was even gonna mention Michael.
It'd be a good idea to check the door adjustment, too. There's lots of stuff to look at, and rather than babble on and bore everyone, I figured a pm invite would be best. Then I generally have a brother call me and we work together and get him all fixed up.

Mayor · 08-05-2011, 09:19 AM

Trust me, there is no water in the humidor resevoirs.
Sending a detailed description to Shilala as to what i'm working with.
thanks for the offer to help.

08-05-2011, 08:56 AM

M/V
____

T*V

M = mass of water
T = temperature
V = volume

If you assume the volume (or pressure) doesn't change this becomes:

M/T = RH

Beads simulate a huge volume, like having a tube connected to a large sealed room.
Real life is more complicated than this. I like Scott's answer.

07-29-2011, 06:53 AM	#2
Jasonw560 PhD from Sarcastic State Join Date: Jul 2011 First Name: Jason Location: Harlingen, TX Posts: 812 Trading: (0)	Re: So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... Here's some wood to throw on the fire: Don't forget barometric pressure. Maybe we sghould all add a barometer to our humidificataipon systems, and adjust according to air pressure. __________________ ...And a woman is only a woman, But a good cigar is a smoke! -R. Kipling

07-29-2011, 10:35 AM	#5
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... Internet sticks need higher humidity than B&M sticks unless you follow the rule of threes.

07-29-2011, 01:11 PM	#11
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,778 Trading: (60)	Re: So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... My '08s are fully aged!! Woo Hoo!!!!! __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

08-05-2011, 06:29 AM	#12
shilala Dear Lord, Thank You. Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Scott Posts: 13,721 Trading: (252)	Re: So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... Mayor, If you have x amount of water vapor in a closed environment, then lower the temp, the humidity will rise because that volume of water is relative to the temperature. It's what is supposed to happen. To make an adjustment, all you need to do is dry your beads so they'll have more capacity to gather water. Take note that these changes are not instantaneous. It takes lots of time (read weeks of months) to bring the water out of the cigars and wood. You're not operating a microwave, ya know? Incremental changes require time and patience. That's what you want, you don't want to change your RH rapidly as it's deliterious to the condition of your cigars. You want water to come out of them very slowly and evenly. Lastly, colder air is unable to hold as much water as warmer air. It's a basic scientific principle that doesn't change regardless of how you perceive it. If you understand how it works, you can use it to your advantage. If you want me to help you lower that RH, drop me a pm and I'd be more than happy help you through it. In your case, I'd lower the temp to your desired temp and then use Michael's beads or some sort of water scavenger like Damprid to pull that RH down where you want it. __________________

08-05-2011, 08:32 AM	#13
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,778 Trading: (60)	Re: So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... My guess is Johnny has active humidification in that Aristocrat rather than beads, Scott. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

08-05-2011, 09:19 AM	#15
Mayor Still the Mayor Join Date: Apr 2009 First Name: Johnny Location: The Edge of America Posts: 86 Trading: (4)	Re: So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... Trust me, there is no water in the humidor resevoirs. Sending a detailed description to Shilala as to what i'm working with. thanks for the offer to help.

08-05-2011, 08:56 AM	#16
BC-Axeman Guest Posts: n/a	Re: So humidity is relative to the temperature right?... M/V ____ T*V M = mass of water T = temperature V = volume If you assume the volume (or pressure) doesn't change this becomes: M/T = RH Beads simulate a huge volume, like having a tube connected to a large sealed room. Real life is more complicated than this. I like Scott's answer.