Kids Sent Home For Wearing American Flag

Originally Posted by Wolfgang

Id say more Racial but YMMV

I can see a point there. The issues of face value here are the Principal's actions and the boy's actions. The former is the head of an institution thereby being a political structure and political issue. The latter being a possible racial issue but under the pretenses of the tensions I've pointed out also being of a political nature. Plus, notice that I highlighted Political Science. If we were discussing this topic in Poli Sci class is it not likely to be political?

Originally Posted by icehog3

Well said, Mario.

Thanks Tom.

Oh by the way. Please always remember ladies and gents, and do value your friendships and opinions.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

If we were discussing this topic in Poli Sci class is it not likely to be political?

I was a Poli Sci major in college Mario, and not every topic discussed in class automatically qualified as "political". I would say this thread so far has not become so in the sense of what we limit on CA, but obviously the definition is somewhat subjective. If it crosses a line, I am sure one of the other ToE will take note.

Originally Posted by icehog3

I was a Poli Sci major in college Mario, and not every topic discussed in class automatically qualified as "political". I would say this thread so far has not become so in the sense of what we limit on CA, but obviously the definition is somewhat subjective. If it crosses a line, I am sure one of the other ToE will take note.

This is true Tom. You guys always take care of this home of ours. Thank you TOE!

[taltos]

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

We were discussing history and how it affects the symbolism and politics of a nation in my Political Science class today. After a story of someone wearing a Hitler costume on Halloween to a class with a Jewish professor, and wearing a KKK outfit to a class with an African American professor, our professor brought up this topic. Although it is not as blunt as the other two stories given, the point was still quite obvious. A possibly volatile situation is was dealt with before it had a chance to escalate. With the racial profiling and immigration laws of recent years and especially as of late going on today the message the boys were sending was obviously of an aggressive nature. Before one blames the principal for his actions they should try walking in his shoes first.

America is a beautiful melting pot comprised of it's diverse population. The various ethnic and cultural backgrounds which makes up America should all be respected and well treated.

Instead of spending so much energy on this topic take a poke at some of these folks.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

P.S. Why is this thread still open? It is clearly political.

I have stayed out of this until this post. The various ethnic and cultural groups owe their first loyalty to this country and to our country's flag and this used to be the way it was. Your hate map includes the various organizations dedicated to enforcing immigration laws so it lacks some credibility.

[taltos]

I also did not see in this thread a little item being reported in the main stream media that at least two of the students were of mixed ethnic heritage, white and Mexican. Not shocked to see that this happened in the Bay area.

[akumushi]

Originally Posted by taltos

I have stayed out of this until this post. The various ethnic and cultural groups owe their first loyalty to this country and to our country's flag and this used to be the way it was. Your hate map includes the various organizations dedicated to enforcing immigration laws so it lacks some credibility.

Read the description of the groups you mentioned, they seem to be organizations dedicated to enforcing immigration laws with ties to white supremecist groups and that's why they're on the hate map. SLPC tracks, monitors and uses litigation to fight violent and abusive hate groups, they've won victories against the KKK and other white supremecist groups that are responsible for a lot of heinous crimes that you probably wouldn't approve of. You might want to read a little more into their history before you dismiss their credibility. And just in case you think they have a anti-white agenda, they track the black seperatists and radical jewish hate groups as well. The only place they could use to work more is helping keep an eye on Islamic hate groups.

[kydsid]

Just watched a Fox News clip with one of the kids involved. He had a great line.

I never thought I would be on National TV for wearing an American Flag in America

This country has a rich history and the Flag is symbolic of that history. There have been times where people have disgraced it by wearing it like a common piece of clothing or disgracing it by burning it in public. Understand that many men and women died for what it represents and if anyone wears it to disparage it should be strung up. Some challenge those ideas with letters, with their protests and with them speaking their minds on a variety of subject matter associated with what they feel or where they think this country should be going. The Flag on the other hand is symbolic of those things that are sacred to those people who willingly gave up their lives to defend...freedoms we take for granted so many times.

I don't know the full scope of the real story but if these kids wore the flags to promote something negative they disgraced the real meaning of what it represents. If they wore them to support it's true meaning then I for one am proud of them and think that the person(s) who sent them home are a disgrace. Freedoms that we have can be abused and in a perfect world this should not happen. At the end of the day remember it was those freedoms you have that were purchased with the lives of those who were ready to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Originally Posted by Cigary

This country has a rich history and the Flag is symbolic of that history. There have been times where people have disgraced it by wearing it like a common piece of clothing or disgracing it by burning it in public. Understand that many men and women died for what it represents and if anyone wears it to disparage it should be strung up. Some challenge those ideas with letters, with their protests and with them speaking their minds on a variety of subject matter associated with what they feel or where they think this country should be going. The Flag on the other hand is symbolic of those things that are sacred to those people who willingly gave up their lives to defend...freedoms we take for granted so many times.

I don't know the full scope of the real story but if these kids wore the flags to promote something negative they disgraced the real meaning of what it represents. If they wore them to support it's true meaning then I for one am proud of them and think that the person(s) who sent them home are a disgrace. Freedoms that we have can be abused and in a perfect world this should not happen. At the end of the day remember it was those freedoms you have that were purchased with the lives of those who were ready to make the ultimate sacrifice.

The kids were not actually "wearing" the Flag itself, just to clear things up. Here is an example, and I think some were thinking the opposite.

No source huh? If your source was the news then I suggest you don't believe everything the news tells you. Do you honestly believe no ill will was involved here?

Edit: Okay, where is this report? What do they have to do with the incident? Is this source completely unbiased?

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

No source huh? If your source was the news then I suggest you don't believe everything the news tells you. Do you honestly believe no ill will was involved here?

Edit: Okay, where is this report? What do they have to do with the incident? Is this source completely unbiased?

There is a source in the OP. And it is unbiased.

I do beleive there was ill involved here. The party being the school.

Also, like Tom said, Im sure we can all keep this NON-political

[stitch]

I'm just glad I live in Arizona

Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox

Also, like Tom said, Im sure we can all keep this NON-political

According to news reports there were five of them sitting together at the same table, two wearing bandanas as well. Sounds like a statement to me and to the principal who was actually there. I was watching the news a while ago and saw one of the shirts and it was way louder than the one portrayed in your image.

As far as your sources go, I did a quick search. The lady works for FOX or something so is biased. News stations generally try to blow up stories and will often favor the majority in these instances. As far as the guy goes, it seems that his expertise is in law. First Amendment law at that. I'm sure the boys actions are protected under such laws but so are those of Neo Nazi's and the KKK. Not that I'm comparing this to them but there is a time and a place for everything. How on Earth can the report you claim that came from these two "experts" on law show that there was no antagonization involved here? If that issue is to be addressed it should be addressed by experts of a related field such as a gang unit, hate specialist, psychologist, etc. Not a couple of lawyers.

Originally Posted by mariogolbee

According to news reports there were five of them sitting together at the same table, two wearing bandanas as well. Sounds like a statement to me and to the principal who was actually there. I was watching the news a while ago and saw one of the shirts and it was way louder than the one portrayed in your image.

As far as your sources go, I did a quick search. The lady works for FOX or something so is biased. News stations generally try to blow up stories and will often favor the majority in these instances. As far as the guy goes, it seems that his expertise is in law. First Amendment law at that. I'm sure the boys actions are protected under such laws but so are those of Neo Nazi's and the KKK. Big deal. How on Earth can the report you claim that came from these two "experts" on law show that there was no antagonization involved here? If that issue is to be addressed it should be addressed by experts of a related field such as a gang unit, hate specialist, psychologist, etc. Not a couple of lawyers.

Neo Nazis= violence
kkk= violence

I don't think they would have very much protected under the First Amendment.

Also, I think that if the school actually had violence because of the kids wearing the shirts, then it would be a different story. I don't think there was any violence that day.

[kydsid]

UPDATE:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-93065324.html

Originally Posted by kydsid

UPDATE:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-93065324.html

I'm glad to see they pulled their heads out of their asses.

[King James]

Supreme court said it best with students "not shedding their rights at the schoolhouse gate". Not sure to what point they can restrict dress, but I don't agree with the school officials at all

[icehog3]

Nate amd Mario, maybe it's time for this to go to PMs.