NFL's new safety policy

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

On the other side of the ball, we have Kurt Warner.
Wasn't he packing groceries before he came and won a Super Bowl?

And a couple of MVP awards, and a legit shot at the HOF. I know he was cut by the Packers, and was let go early in a Bears training camp because of a spider bite, and was cut by the Rams, too (but that was after he had already led them to two Super Bowls).

[shilala]

Here it is...
Undrafted in 94, stocked shelves at HyVee grocery store for $5.50 an hour.
Tried out for the Packers in 94, was released.
Arena Football in 95, 96 and 97.
97 he was to tryout for the Bears but got bit by a spider on his throwing elbow on his honeymoon. That nixed that.
In 97, he got God, and things started changing.
In 98 he got signed by the Rams and got sent to Europe to play, then third string at St Louis behind Tony Banks and Steve Bono.
In 99 he was 2nd string, Trent Green tore up his ACL, and Warner became NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP.
In 2000 he broke his hand midway through the season, his interceptions went up, and they got beat in the wild card round.
2001 he was MVP again and lost the Super Bowl.
etc.

Man, I love that story. What a show that Rams offense was. Rodger's run this year looks a lot like it, but the Rams were different. Rodgers is precision perfect almost all the time. Warner was just different. He kept you on the edge of your seat, breathless. Maybe cause you didn't know what was next. With Rodgers you always know what's next. More perfection.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

Here it is...
Undrafted in 94, stocked shelves at HyVee grocery store for $5.50 an hour.
Tried out for the Packers in 94, was released.
Arena Football in 95, 96 and 97.
97 he was to tryout for the Bears but got bit by a spider on his throwing elbow on his honeymoon. That nixed that.
In 97, he got God, and things started changing.
In 98 he got signed by the Rams and got sent to Europe to play, then third string at St Louis behind Tony Banks and Steve Bono.
In 99 he was 2nd string, Trent Green tore up his ACL, and Warner became NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP.
In 2000 he broke his hand midway through the season, his interceptions went up, and they got beat in the wild card round.
2001 he was MVP again and lost the Super Bowl.
etc.

Man, I love that story. What a show that Rams offense was. Rodger's run this year looks a lot like it, but the Rams were different. Rodgers is precision perfect almost all the time. Warner was just different. He kept you on the edge of your seat, breathless. Maybe cause you didn't know what was next. With Rodgers you always know what's next. More perfection.

Objectively speaking, overall that Rams offense was better because of Marshall Faulk. The Packers have nothing remotely close to a player that can do what he did. That said, I'll take Rodgers & the Packers wide receiver corps (including tight ends) over the Rams anyday of the week. The Packers win by sheer numbers, as they have six legit targets at Rodgers disposal, whereas Warner really only had Bruce/Holt/Hakim/Proehl and the aforementioned Faulk.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Objectively speaking, overall that Rams offense was better because of Marshall Faulk. The Packers have nothing remotely close to a player that can do what he did. That said, I'll take Rodgers & the Packers wide receiver corps (including tight ends) over the Rams anyday of the week. The Packers win by sheer numbers, as they have six legit targets at Rodgers disposal, whereas Warner really only had Bruce/Holt/Hakim/Proehl and the aforementioned Faulk.

And even with that short core of receivers, in '09 the Rams went for 5,232 yards in the air.
It's the NFL single season team record.
The Pack has 3,960 yards in the air right now with 3 games in hand and a 27th ranked running game.

I. Don't know if Harrison is on the juice or HGH or not.

I do know he has a freakish bony head, just like Barry, and that is a prime sign of HGH abuse.

Try quoting me fully,

I have no problem seperating Little Ben the person from little Ben the player.

He sucks as a person, he sucks as a player. What is there to differentiate, LOL

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

Try quoting me fully,

I only quoted the relevent parts where you contradict yourself within a week's timeframe.

Originally Posted by Resipsa

I have no problem seperating Little Ben the person from little Ben the player.

He sucks as a person, he sucks as a player. What is there to differentiate, LOL

Look, I get it if you don't like him because of who he is as an individual. But your assertion that he's nothing more than a game manager simply doesn't jive with the on-field performace, the stat sheet, or the jewelry.

Originally Posted by Stephen

I only quoted the relevent parts where you contradict yourself within a week's timeframe.

Look, I get it if you don't like him because of who he is as an individual. But your assertion that he's nothing more than a game manager simply doesn't jive with the on-field performace, the stat sheet, or the jewelry.

A) youre in serious need of a reading comprehension class

B) not everybody has to think what you do

C) you clearly don't "get" anything since youndontnget the point

D) move on.org. Join it,,it may help you

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Resipsa

A) youre in serious need of a reading comprehension class

I read just fine, thank you. That's how I was able to show you your contradiction.

Originally Posted by Resipsa

B) not everybody has to think what you do

Agreed. But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that I've supported my opinion with something more than...My opinion.

Originally Posted by Resipsa

C) you clearly don't "get" anything since youndontnget the point

I get it just fine. You don't like Ben Roethlisberger.

Originally Posted by Resipsa

D) move on.org. Join it,,it may help you

Hmm, or maybe for future reference, if someone makes a post listing nearly half the starting NFL quarterbacks as being better than Ben Roethlisberger and you respond with:

Originally Posted by Resipsa

I'd say fairly accurate

you shouldn't be surprised when somebody challenges that assertion. You say he sucks as a player and is a game manager, yet you offer up nothing as to why you hold that opinion. I'm not trying to change your mind, but simply asking you on what (tangible) basis is this opinion formulated. Instead I got bupkis.

[pnoon]

O.K. kids. Let's keep this from getting personal.

You guys disagree. We get it.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by pnoon

O.K. kids. Let's keep this from getting personal.

You guys disagree. We get it.

[shilala]

I think Peyton Manning has a square head.

I still love Vic even though he's a player-hater.


Lastly, there should be a basketful of empirical evidence on Vic's side as these next few weeks roll on. With Ben's foot as big as his ego, we should easily squander any hopes of homefield advantage, expect to be beaten by two more mediocre teams, and send Ben golfing the day after the wildcard game.

Originally Posted by shilala

I think Peyton Manning has a square head.

I still love Vic even though he's a player-hater.


Lastly, there should be a basketful of empirical evidence on Vic's side as these next few weeks roll on. With Ben's foot as big as his face and gut, we should easily squander any hopes of homefield advantage, expect to be beaten by two more mediocre teams, and send Ben golfing the day after the wildcard game.

Fixed it for you! Not often you see an NFL QB with his beer gut hanging over his pants

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by shilala

Lastly, there should be a basketful of empirical evidence on Vic's side as these next few weeks roll on. With Ben's foot as big as his ego, we should easily squander any hopes of homefield advantage, expect to be beaten by two more mediocre teams, and send Ben golfing the day after the wildcard game.

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If the Steelers win in spite of Roethlisberger not because of him, and if Roethlisberger sucks, why would him not playing at or near 100% matter?

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Wouldn't the opposite be true? If the Steelers win in spite of Roethlisberger not because of him, and if Roethlisberger sucks, why would him not playing at or near 100% matter?

That's one of those time-continuum quantum physics causality loop reverse psychology questions.
I'm not falling for the bait.

[Parshooter]

I came here to read about the NFL's new safety policy, not 2 pages about Rothlisberger.

[Parshooter]

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1442

[Mikey202]

Originally Posted by Parshooter

I came here to read about the NFL's new safety policy, not 2 pages about Rothlisberger.

It's Vics fault!!!! He started it!!!

[14holestogie]

Originally Posted by Mikey202

It's Vics fault!!!! He started it!!!

I thought Ben started it.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by 14holestogie

I thought Ben started it.

Nah, from what I've learned in this thread there's no way Ben could've started it. He sucks as a starter.