GM vehicle? Not me.

[WildBlueSooner]

Originally Posted by darb85

Ok just an FYI on GMs product plans:

Keep:

Chevy, Pontiac(speciality line) Saturn(likely rebranded Opel) Buick, Cadillac

Gone:
GMC(Consumer Vehicles only, Commercial will remain, Chevy will lose thier Commercial line) Hummer, Saab

Chevy will keep most of its line. Impala is becoming RWD. Volt Comes back, Camaro Is back. Possible Kappa Platform car. Malibu will stay. Silverado will stay in all trims. Gone will be commercial vehicles, all will be badged as GMCs. Suburban and tahoe will remain. HHR and Cobalt(new Models coming) Equinox is iffy. Traverse Will remain

Pontiac will Lose: G3, G5, Torrent Keep G8 G6 Vibe and Solstice

Saturn has fresh Model group. wont lose any models but indications are it will be rebaged Opel(the cars are Opels rebranded anyways)

Buick should keep full line, High Perfomance cars(supers) are gone Look for Redesigned RWD sedan

Cadillac no changes for the most part

GMC will lose all non commercial vehicles

Hummer is completly gone

Saab is being sold

Now, all this will be for not if the union doesnt give up some stuff like life long benifits, Job bank etc.

I am a little pissed that they fired Wagoneer. Hes responsible for some of the best cars getting green lighted by GM. Solstice, Volt, Malibu, Lacrosse, CTS

meh. Hope it gets sorted.

I agree with most of your ideas on what to keep and what to lose

Originally Posted by darb85

Ok just an FYI on GMs product plans:

Keep:

Gone:
GMC(Consumer Vehicles only, Commercial will remain, Chevy will lose thier Commercial line) Hummer, Saab

Chevy will keep most of its line. Impala is becoming RWD. Volt Comes back, Camaro Is back. Possible Kappa Platform car. Malibu will stay. Silverado will stay in all trims. Gone will be commercial vehicles, all will be badged as GMCs. Suburban and tahoe will remain. HHR and Cobalt(new Models coming) Equinox is iffy. Traverse Will remain

meh. Hope it gets sorted.

I will have to disagree with you on the GMC Yukon part. I personally think that the GMCs have a better interior than the Tahoe. As far as the Equinox I think it should be gone, and keep the Trailblazer.

Originally Posted by Junior

I will have to disagree with you on the GMC Yukon part. I personally think that the GMCs have a better interior than the Tahoe. As far as the Equinox I think it should be gone, and keep the Trailblazer.

Trailblazer was replaced with the Traverse

GMC and Chevy Interiors are absolutly identical same part numbers too. QC might be different at the assembly plant though :dunno

Keep what is profitable. Can what is not. Make more of what makes a profit. How much simpler can it get? Cut costs and increase quality (or at least the perception of quality ). Brand loyalty is shallow. Popularity is most often short lived. I think, along with the business structure, the marketing people have been failing.
I like the GMC trucks better than their Chevy counterparts. I have a Ford because it was the most truck I could get for the money at the time.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

Keep what is profitable. Can what is not. Make more of what makes a profit. How much simpler can it get? Cut costs and increase quality (or at least the perception of quality ). Brand loyalty is shallow. Popularity is most often short lived. I think, along with the business structure, the marketing people have been failing.
I like the GMC trucks better than their Chevy counterparts. I have a Ford because it was the most truck I could get for the money at the time.

Unfortunately other idiotic factors are involved due to regulations and other BS...thats why they continue to produce efficient cars, despite the fact that are not profitable. But since the government demands it, the government gets it.

GM and Ford have some great cars they produce overseas that can't be produced here. Ford has a diesel version of the Focus that gets 65mpg, but the US will never see it due to high production cost as well as the cafe standards.

and I wonder from everyone posting who actually has any experience to what gm, chrystler, toyota, ford, etc are doing... any of you actually work in a plant, for these companies, for a supplier, for anyone who has to do with any of this?

If not, why even talk about it. It's just the same as those news reporters who print first and ask questions later.

[WildBlueSooner]

Originally Posted by Hardcz

and I wonder from everyone posting who actually has any experience to what gm, chrystler, toyota, ford, etc are doing... any of you actually work in a plant, for these companies, for a supplier, for anyone who has to do with any of this?

If not, why even talk about it. It's just the same as those news reporters who print first and ask questions later.

Why talk about it? It is just a tad relevant to everyone who lives in this country seeing that the auto industry is one of our most important industries. In fact, it is relevant to everyone in the world today! I don't see how not talking about it would help.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

Why talk about it? It is just a tad relevant to everyone who lives in this country seeing that the auto industry is one of our most important industries. In fact, it is relevant to everyone in the world today! I don't see how not talking about it would help.

Agreed.

That plus the fact that I've now been thrust in as an owner of the company.

Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner

Why talk about it? It is just a tad relevant to everyone who lives in this country seeing that the auto industry is one of our most important industries. In fact, it is relevant to everyone in the world today! I don't see how not talking about it would help.

I'm biased because I work as a contractor in a GM plant. I will say I want them to survive. I see every day where there is wasted money, on people and supplies.

This has happened in one way or another at every company I've worked for. Though in this case it's on a larger scale due to the size of the company.

What gets me is how people seem to be on a hate train over the auto companies. Or the Unions... or whatever. They have their faults, they have their benefits. It's all screwed up.

Problem I see is the lack of factual data being provided by the haters. There is some from time to time, usually twisted to the numbers that benefit the speaker most.

Just looking for open minds and the like.

Failing business should fail. The government is rewarding failure (bailouts) and punishing (taxing) success. This is not the America that our founding fathers envisioned. The federal government does not have the constitutional authority to bailout, manage, or direct private industries.

Originally Posted by Hardcz

and I wonder from everyone posting who actually has any experience to what gm, chrystler, toyota, ford, etc are doing... any of you actually work in a plant, for these companies, for a supplier, for anyone who has to do with any of this?

If not, why even talk about it. It's just the same as those news reporters who print first and ask questions later.

We are BUYERS. This gives us the authority to talk about it. BTW the company i work for is a supplier to auto manufactures. I think everyone has a say in this.

My F250 will beat up the Chevy while hauling the Dodge!
.45 vs 9mm anyone?

Yea, tho the govt shouldn't be putting it's nose into banning tobacco use either...though they do.... But I do believe we shouldn't talk about political issues towards these topics...

Originally Posted by Hardcz

Yea, tho the govt shouldn't be putting it's nose into banning tobacco use either...though they do.... But I do believe we shouldn't talk about political issues towards these topics...

These issues are engrossed in politics.

Follow up, it looks like I'm not alone in my feelings:
Detroit Free Press article
http://www.freep.com/article/2009040...SS06/904090367