Starting to like wine...the Red version

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Cab is Cab until you reach into upper price range and this thread is obviously not there. Cab is a "pedestrian" and very hyped up grape, main reason so many are now moving to the likes of Portugal reds, Agentian Malbec, Grenache based reds, Syrah based blends, Petite Sirah and others. I stopped buying Cab years ago and am down to maybe a couple of cases.

Cab is best blended as is most wine. Only a few grapes are really "meant" or can stand to be by themselves.

Buy wines from an chateau, estate, or producer. Wine should come from a specific place, not a wild animal print or fake entity.

[rlmedic]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Just curious, do you know what egg shells are used for? And if we're on the subject, it is egg whites, not egg shells, easier and "cleaner". I have seen milk used as well. What's so bad about egg whites or milk?

How many cheap Napa reds do you know? Say, compared to the zillions of "animal label" cases that come out of OZ? Have you been to any Napa cellars and seen nothing but acres of barrels? There is a reason for that OZ Cab to be priced at $15 or below and there is a reason many Napa Cabs cost $50 and up, barrels are sold in EU (currency), price per ton goes up to $15K (per ton). On the other hand, oak chips are cheap, harvesting 15 tons per acre (as opposed to 3 tons per in Napa) also makes for bland taste, main reason the big boys in OZ have some interesting "research" chem labs in place. To be fair, so does Gallo.

Better OZ Cabs cost same as Napa Cabs and the reasons are listed in the paragraph above. There are no miracles and no short cuts in wine world. BTW, many top end OZ Cabs (and reds in general) still use American oak barrels, they are about half price of European barrels.

Cab a different grape? Different taste? How? Have you done blind Cab tastings? Try a BLIND tasting of Cabs from whatever regions you feel like, let me know how much of a difference you will be able to pick up. Then do a similar BLIND tasting of, say, Pinot Noirs and red Burgs, and let me know just how easy it will be picking them apart. Same for Chardonnay and Chablis. German Reisling versus Austrian. I can go on... Cab is Cab until you reach into upper price range and this thread is obviously not there. Cab is a "pedestrian" and very hyped up grape, main reason so many are now moving to the likes of Portugal reds, Agentian Malbec, Grenache based reds, Syrah based blends, Petite Sirah and others. I stopped buying Cab years ago and am down to maybe a couple of cases.

Joel Gott makes no NAPA CAB, it is labeled CALIFORNIA CAB for a reason.

Let's talk apples and apples...

Actually I do know what they are used for...as for a blind tasting I would be happy to...and be able to tell the diffference not only between say a napa cab and sonoma cab but a oakville vs a stags leap or howell mtn.

As for this thread it seems everytime you post all you do is try to prove your smarter then everyone else..just in case your wondering your not all I was doing was trying to give a new wine drinker some inexpensive domestic cab recomendations.

[replicant_argent]

Don't overlook Chilean or Aussie offerings, some fantastic values can be had.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Don't overlook Chilean or Aussie offerings, some fantastic values can be had.

I'd add Spanish Tempranillo to the list.

[The Poet]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Don't overlook Chilean or Aussie offerings, some fantastic values can be had.

For instance, the Xplorador line from Concha y Toro, at about 10 bucks, is a total steal. Try their Carmenere as well as the aforementioned Cab or Merlot.

Oh, and try a Malbec from Argentina also . . . a very drinkable red.

[mosesbotbol]

For a great red that the is bold and has something going on, try a Dao from Portugal. You can buy an awesome one for under $15 and it tastes noting like the plunk that most are drinking. Dao's are honest wines that can handle any food red wine could pair with.

[replicant_argent]

The best advice I think is Drink What You Like, Like What You Drink.

In my opinion, I look at the old CS "No Snobs" treatise and realize it has many uses.

Contrary to popular belief, you don't need to have a "Madagascar Vanilla" palate to simply enjoy what you are drawn to, and you don't have to have the aspirations to be an Amateur Sommelier either. People have been enjoying some very rustic and unrefined wines in odd corners of the world without worrying too much about whether something is "right" or "wrong" or High-brow or Low-brow.

Experiment, try many different varietals in your comfortable price range, and you will find your niche.

But what do I know... I have the palate of a goat...

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

In my opinion, I look at the old CS "No Snobs" treatise and realize it has many uses.

Actually, I know a good number of locals who will ONLY drink Cab. Not sure if that qualifies them as snobs or not, but they won't even taste anything that doesn't say Cab on a label.

I'd rather drink beer, and I do, than drink all sorts of "animal labels" wines, if that's snobish, then be it. Meaning drinking less, but better quality (we ALL do that with cigars, no?). But something also tells me that I drink way more adventurous/interesting wines, in general, since I do not discriminate by grape, region or label, I may simply prefer some to others depending on company and food that day.

[Mugen910]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

The best advice I think is Drink What You Like, Like What You Drink.

But but but...how will I know what I should like if no one gives me options

Well seeing as we seem to have the same pallets in other matters

Find the St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel

It is my absolute favourite red that is a medium value (not too expensive) non vintage.

Although California grown (Sonoma Valley) it is done in the old world style of Zinfandels and is really really good. It tastes of ripe black cherries and has a nice toasty oak taste. It finishes long and smooth and is not strong on tanins. This has been my house wine for some time.

[rlmedic]

Originally Posted by Mugen910

But but but...how will I know what I should like if no one gives me options

Are you looking for wine to drink with dinner or enjoy a glass with a cigar?

[G G]

Thanks Greg for the info. This particular one was made in Canada by John Simes if that helps. Once again I am not too spiffy when it comes to wines. The bottle says I should be tasting Lemon-lime, green apple, guava and praline. Not sure but my wife and I both taste the olive. It's like when you sniff it you get the olive, then when you taste it you get the olive for just a second and then it turns to a fruity taste. I really like it though.

[rlmedic]

Originally Posted by ggainey

Thanks Greg for the info. This particular one was made in Canada by John Simes if that helps. Once again I am not too spiffy when it comes to wines. The bottle says I should be tasting Lemon-lime, green apple, guava and praline. Not sure but my wife and I both taste the olive. It's like when you sniff it you get the olive, then when you taste it you get the olive for just a second and then it turns to a fruity taste. I really like it though.

Greg the icewine that you were refering to is Mission Hill Family Estate. I am sure you can have your local wine shop order it for you or find it on the internet...winezap is a good place to start a search.

[G G]

Originally Posted by rlmedic

Greg the icewine that you were refering to is Mission Hill Family Estate. I am sure you can have your local wine shop order it for you or find it on the internet...winezap is a good place to start a search.

Thanks Ryan, I am hoping to get a discount from the lady who gave it to me. She works for a distributor.

Riddick I am curious as to why you are so venomous in this thread. While I agree with your opinions on Australian wines in general I think your delivery is hostile and aggressive.

There are actually many Australian wines that I very much enjoy and find them comparable on many levels to the wines of the world...........I am assuming this doesn't make me stupid only of different tastes than others.

The OP was asking for opinions on Red Wine...........seems most folks where trying to do that, as luck would have it we all have opinions. Whether or not you agree with them is certainly your right, but to attack peoples knowledge or lack thereof based on them freely providing their opinions (as asked) to the OP seems somewhat self serving. You clearly are passionate about wines and seem to have a very good knowledge base but again I question your motives and your approach.

I am sure the OP would love some options of great wines that he could try based on your obvious depth of knowledge but attacking others because they like something seems well just rude. I have smoked cigars for years......I have tried hundreds upon hundreds of Non Cuban varieties and in truth I don't find much to like so I stick to Cubans............when people ask for advice on Cuban cigars I give what I know freely and hopefully friendily (not a word but it fits the purpose) what I don't do is hunt down Non Cuban thread recommendations and let loose a tirade on how there are a myriad of things that I don't like about NC's.

This thread has gone way of track of the OP's initial request and by this post I have contributed and for that I apologize.

Oh and on the shipping of bottles..............so far I am 15 for 15 in the past year, not that I am interested in doing a wine PIF just saying that what you say is impossible has been done. I would never recommend that someone circumvent the laws of their country or state.

[kgoings]

There is a lot of good info in the thread, thanks! There is a total wine down the street from my house, I will have to try a tasting.

Shawn I will have to find some of the St. Francis Old Vine Zinfandel and give it a try.

What are some of the Valley's cheaper wines? Just for starters

[Ratters]

Originally Posted by SilverFox

Riddick I am curious as to why you are so venomous in this thread. While I agree with your opinions on Australian wines in general I think your delivery is hostile and aggressive.

He's not hostile or aggressive, he's Russian. Different, but may appear similar.

I don't drink wine, but fall in the drink it if you like it corner. Don't rule out Chiantis either, many poo poo them, but the Italian in me tells you to give it a try. And yeah, hit up Trader Joe's, they often have really good prices on different wines. I don't drink the stuff, but I still have to buy it for the fiance.

[mosesbotbol]

Blind tastings are really difficult, especially if they are of same body and color. Not every wine is true to its terrior either which further complicates it.

I am a believer that weather can have an effect on a wine performs. We have all experienced it. The same wine on different days, one time it's awesome, the other it's fair... The same case, same glass, different day. Why? And I am talking about hearty wines that should not vary per OWC and the difference is not cork or bottling related.

[cherrybomb]

I suggest you just try a bunch of different varietals, this is the easiest way to find what meets your palate

[mosesbotbol]

A good general rule (feel free to argue) - Don't buy a red wine over 14.1% alcohol unless it's a CdP. Yes, Zin's are an exception, but don't buy over 14.5%.

To put this in perspective, the world's most expensive and coveted wines are 13.5% and under. Many around 12%