McGwire Admits to Steroids......

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by yourchoice

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your first point, because on the one hand you're suggesting everyone can do it because they have the opportunity, then on the other hand saying it's a shame the young ones look up to them. Based on the first point I would have assumed you thought it okay for the young ones to do it too if everyone else was doing it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-steroids, I just don't buy into all the outrage that people feel about players in baseball using them. The Olympics, yes, but pro sports, no. I am against steroid use b/c of health reasons, not the unfair advantage reasons.

Originally Posted by kugie

The only thing is that the pitchers were doing it and he crushed the balls they threw at him.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by kugie

There was no testing back then it was against the law of the United States not baseball.

That is not true. The only crimes these really committed were taking perscribed drugs without a perscription. If they (all the players in question) admitted to that alone, Congress would have little to charge these guys on.

In the end MLB is just entertainment. Many make out to be something more than that, but it's not really.

[Volt]

OMG! Say it aint so. I'm so surprised....... Not

[shvictor]

At least he was man enough to admit his mistakes. I have to give him props for that. I betcha that cocky ass Bonds goes to his grave denying he used roids. And Sosa, who cares.

[Starscream]

As long as Griffey is never linked to them, then I don't care.

[hotreds]

I give him credit for at least manning up to it. I rooted for him back then, and I still like him!

[ucla695]

I'm surprised he copped to it.

[MedicCook]

Roger Maris - Still the single season HR King.

[Eleven]

Sosa went all MJ on us?

[Clampdown]

I just don't care that much because it seemed everyone was on it. I'm shocked the NFL has not been put under the microscope more for possible enhancement products. It seems that the concussion stuff has moved to the forefront as it should. I wonder how he will do as a hitting coach.

[Whynot]

Everyone seems to forget that Mac was facing possible federal charges for his testimony before Congress. He did what any first year law student would advise a client in those circumstances, he basically pled the 5th. He asked for immunity from several Senators in exchange for testimony and when he was told no, he did the right thing by not lying. I'm not saying what the players did was right, but 98 brought me(and alot of people that have since forgotten) back to baseball after the labor issues of the early-mid 90s. How come Yankees fans harp on Mac, but A-Rod gets a free pass? He denied everything until it was impossible to.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by Whynot

Everyone seems to forget that Mac was facing possible federal charges for his testimony before Congress. He did what any first year law student would advise a client in those circumstances, he basically pled the 5th. He asked for immunity from several Senators in exchange for testimony and when he was told no, he did the right thing by not lying. I'm not saying what the players did was right, but 98 brought me(and alot of people that have since forgotten) back to baseball after the labor issues of the early-mid 90s. How come Yankees fans harp on Mac, but A-Rod gets a free pass? He denied everything until it was impossible to.

Yankees fan here that doesn't give A-Rod a free pass at all.
I think all these idiots should have all their records wiped clean.
They played dirty, lose your records. That goes for A-Rod's home runs, hits, etc.
He plays clean now, count that only. Give him props for what he does NOW, such as in this year's WS.

As such, I have no respect for McGwire. While the '98 season was exciting, it turned out to be a big fat lie. Give Marris his record back.
I don't see McGwire "manning" up as all say. The only reason he is doing this now is to benefit his wallet with his new job. If he was really "manning" up, he would have done it long ago, in spite of pending charges. Screw all these cheaters. Any of them. Some say he didn't lie as he never answered the questions so therefore that is OK? If a murderer doesn't admit to it therefore not lying, is omission an excuse to justify it?

McGwire can now officially take his place in baseball's darkest era.

[Whynot]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Yankees fan here that doesn't give A-Rod a free pass at all.
I think all these idiots should have all their records wiped clean.
They played dirty, lose your records. That goes for A-Rod's home runs, hits, etc.
He plays clean now, count that only. Give him props for what he does NOW, such as in this year's WS.

As such, I have no respect for McGwire. While the '98 season was exciting, it turned out to be a big fat lie. Give Marris his record back.
I don't see McGwire "manning" up as all say. The only reason he is doing this now is to benefit his wallet with his new job. If he was really "manning" up, he would have done it long ago, in spite of pending charges. Screw all these cheaters. Any of them. Some say he didn't lie as he never answered the questions so therefore that is OK? If a murderer doesn't admit to it therefore not lying, is omission an excuse to justify it? McGwire can now officially take his place in baseball's darkest era.

It was a big fat lie made possible by many people willing to turn a blind eye. Did everyone really believe that "juiced" baseballs were the cause of the offensive explosion, or were we just happy to bury our heads in the sand? Does that make it right, no. But it certainly does not put a baseball player on par with a murderer. And I think baseballs darkest era's probably involved rampant racsism and widespread abuse of alcohol and cocaine.

[MedicCook]

He could have come clean the next year if he wanted and not had to worry about the law issues. It did not benefit him to come clean until now.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by mediccook

he could have come clean the next year if he wanted and not had to worry about the law issues. It did not benefit him to come clean until now.

Bingo!

[MedicCook]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Bingo!

It is the same with most of these guys also A-Rod & Pettitte included.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by MedicCook

It is the same with most of these guys also A-Rod & Pettitte included.

Don't disagree at all.
I think they are all scum for having been cheaters.
One thing is if no one knew the effects of it or if it wasn't banned.
They did it knowing fully well.

It is truly a shame.
Hank and Marris have been screwed by cheaters and no one is doing anything at this time to fix it so at least one of them does not continue to roll in his grave.

[Whynot]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Don't disagree at all.
I think they are all scum for having been cheaters.
One thing is if no one knew the effects of it or if it wasn't banned.
They did it knowing fully well.

It is truly a shame.
Hank and Marris have been screwed by cheaters and no one is doing anything at this time to fix it so at least one of them does not continue to roll in his grave.

It was not banned by baseball at the time. Illegal yes, but not banned by the rules of the game. Many here may want to be careful about condeming someone for ingesting an illegal substance or item. I must say it is good to talk baseball with those that obviously care for the game, even if it is in disagreement. It is getting harder to find folks that still enjoy it.

[KidRock]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Don't disagree at all.
I think they are all scum for having been cheaters.
One thing is if no one knew the effects of it or if it wasn't banned.
They did it knowing fully well.

It is truly a shame.
Hank and Marris have been screwed by cheaters and no one is doing anything at this time to fix it so at least one of them does not continue to roll in his grave.

agreed 100 percent