GM vehicle? Not me.

I just think the bailout money is not going to get GM out of trouble. I think they may have to break the company up. Maybe Corvette will become it's own company. GM has taken more bailout money than the company is even worth. How will they ever pay it back? I won't knowingly do business with any company that has received bailout.

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I just think the bailout money is not going to get GM out of trouble. I think they may have to break the company up. Maybe Corvette will become it's own company. GM has taken more bailout money than the company is even worth. How will they ever pay it back? I won't knowingly do business with any company that has received bailout.

You do realize that before GM could get any of that money they had to issue a plan to restructure thier company? and if they dont repay the loans, the government issues a levy and gets it, but after 20 years. Chrysler did it in the 80s

They are dropping lines, Pontiac is a specialty line just the G8, G6, Vibe, and Solstice.

Saturn is likely to either be sold or rebranded opel.

Saab is gone

The Management and Execs are all only making 1 dollar this year. They sold thier fleet of jets(something AIG has yet to do...) They are shutting down plants and consolidating.

I'll wait to see how it turns out. I'm not knocking GM products. I really do want a Corvette. I like their trucks. I just trust a government run company less than a union run one. I lived through the '70s. I owned Chrysler stock up till Daimler bought it. That was one I sold at the right time. They have to sell at a profit cars that people want to buy a lot of. You have to be one step ahead of the market or else be creating the market. I don't see this happening now. Granted, nobody is selling a lot at this time. I am just not going to have anything to do with a government run auto manufacturing company. There is no history of that turning out good.

[AAlmeter]

Hmm...anyone asking Gettlefingerer to step down?

[forgop]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Hmm...anyone asking Gettlefingerer to step down?

That's just it-he's just as responsible for the mess as Wagoner.

For all those in the union ranks that villify the compensation of salaried executives, they're turning a blind eye to what those in the union make. As if a $60k/year job turning some bolts is bad enough, union appointed positions are the shiznit into a bigger career of do-nothing job responsibility and accountability to no-one, often dished out in the good old boys network or family members. Then you take into consideration elected stewards/committemen/zone men/bargaining committee members, you've got a LOT of guys there making $200k+/year that give ZERO productivity paid for by GM/Chrysler/Ford.

Being an elected UAW rep is much like being in Congress-they're just a bunch of money grubbing whores and the only concern they have is for getting re-elected, not looking out in the best interest of their constituents.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by forgop

That's just it-he's just as responsible for the mess as Wagoner.

For all those in the union ranks that villify the compensation of salaried executives, they're turning a blind eye to what those in the union make. As if a $60k/year job turning some bolts is bad enough, union appointed positions are the shiznit into a bigger career of do-nothing job responsibility and accountability to no-one, often dished out in the good old boys network or family members. Then you take into consideration elected stewards/committemen/zone men/bargaining committee members, you've got a LOT of guys there making $200k+/year that give ZERO productivity paid for by GM/Chrysler/Ford.

Being an elected UAW rep is much like being in Congress-they're just a bunch of money grubbing whores and the only concern they have is for getting re-elected, not looking out in the best interest of their constituents.

Hey! I've known many stewards and reps who were nothing like members of Congress.....they've got much nicer suits than the average congressman's. And their shoes...so nice and shiney!

[Genetic Defect]

Damn GM and the trucks they built

[loki]

Chevrolet, GMC (maybe even drop this...not sure), Pontiac, Saturn, Cadillac, Hummer (h1 only),

these are the lines I would keep if I was running the show. When was the last time you saw a buick made in the past 5 years on the road?

[JaKaacH]

Originally Posted by loki

Chevrolet, GMC (maybe even drop this...not sure), Pontiac, Saturn, Cadillac, Hummer (h1 only),

these are the lines I would keep if I was running the show. When was the last time you saw a buick made in the past 5 years on the road?

Today.

Originally Posted by JaKaacH

Today.

agreed. Buick, while not popular is an awesome car and I see 5 year old ones out all the time. the problem is, the models they have right now are pushing 5-7 years old, so you cant tell...

[shilala]

The anti-worker sentiment in this thread amazes me. It's sad.
They're regular guys feeding their family with a decent wage that they've fought, bled and sacrificed for.
Would it be better if the men and women at GM made 8 or 10 bucks an hour with no benefits so that someone else could stack that money in their pile?

[loki]

Originally Posted by shilala

The anti-worker sentiment in this thread amazes me. It's sad.
They're regular guys feeding their family with a decent wage that they've fought, bled and sacrificed for.
Would it be better if the men and women at GM made 8 or 10 bucks an hour with no benefits so that someone else could stack that money in their pile?

i think it's more anti-union then anti-worker...

[Genetic Defect]

Originally Posted by loki

i think it's more anti-union then anti-worker...

the UAW is crap.

[Footbag]

Originally Posted by shilala

The anti-worker sentiment in this thread amazes me. It's sad.
They're regular guys feeding their family with a decent wage that they've fought, bled and sacrificed for.
Would it be better if the men and women at GM made 8 or 10 bucks an hour with no benefits so that someone else could stack that money in their pile?

I have to agree. There would be no better time to buy a GM vehicle if you are looking to contribute to the US economy.

I am not going to contribute to the government-run-union part of the economy. I will freely choose where I want my non-taxed money to go.

[WildBlueSooner]

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I am not going to contribute to the government-run-union part of the economy. I will freely choose where I want my non-taxed money to go.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman

I am not going to contribute to the government-run-union part of the economy. I will freely choose where I want my non-taxed money to go.

Word.

The UAW was a BIG reason why the big 3 were not even a consideration when I purchased my new truck.

[shilala]

I'm gonna buy me some Chinese cars so those poor buggers can get democratize.

[Genetic Defect]

Originally Posted by shilala

I'm gonna buy me some Chinese cars so those poor buggers can get democratize.

I'll stick to my Kentucky built truck

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Big Vito

I'll stick to my Kentucky built truck

I meant after my Envoy and PT Cruiser die.