Do you think you know a lot about Cigars?

[icehog3]

Who is not calm?

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Who is not calm?

WTF!

Lindsay - If you had bothered to read the thread closely you would have seen this earlier post

Originally Posted by pnoon

No one is upset.

You are a newer member with very little involvement here. You have posted a link that is unrelated to the topic of cigars. It is understandable that the membership should be leery.

In retrospect, it might have been helpful to have posted this info in the first post.

As an administrator here, I take my responsibility seriously. And that includes protecting the membership from potentially harmful links.

But I do have one question for you. You stated in your post that "many of you don't know me". Can you tell me who here does? Just wondering.

[FriendlyMan]

Ok, I don't know her personelly but I do know about her. She is very well known in the Cigar industry in NYC and other places. I have been following her on twitter and was thinking this contest might interest someone. I think if we can have her on here it would be great because she can bring a lot with her. The thing is she dosn't know who I am and who posted her blog on here. I'm wondering who told here to come on here and respond.
I think the calm down thing was more like a, ok, I'm stepping in to clear things up no need to worry. She has no clue what this place is like. If the person who asked her to sign up can explain to her what a great place this is maybe sh'll be a regular?

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by FriendlyMan

She has no clue what this place is like.

That much is obvious.

[Vigiles]

Well this thread is taking some odd turns....

[Don Fernando]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Who is not calm?

I'm guessing Lindsay

[TheRiddick]

Hmmm... Rodrigo de Jerez was the first to TASTE tobacco in the New World, I thought the question was about the first ROLLER to introduce cigars to Europe?

Yep, I didn't read the question right, Madison is the one who opposed the tax, Hamilton introduced it.

Wasn't trying to win anything, just found the whole thing hilarious and same as someone above, questioned how any of this would make anyone enjoy cigars more. Didn't even go to the link provided.

I still find it strange that one bunching method didn't even make her list and it is an important one, IMO, as all machine made cigars, and there is a good number of them out there, are made with it. Do you know which 4 out of 5 the quiz expected?

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Hmmm... Rodrigo de Jerez was the first to TASTE tobacco in the New World, I thought the question was about the first ROLLER to introduce cigars to Europe?

I still find it strange that one bunching method didn't even make her list and it is an important one, IMO, as all machine made cigars, and there is a good number of them out there, are made with it. Do you know which 4 out of 5 the quiz expected?

I came across both Jerez and Raleigh several places in tobacco history. In nearly every instance Jerez was the first to smoke tobacco and Raleigh introduced it to the Queen among other things. I never found anyone specifically credited for rolling properly cigar's but I assumed it must be Jerez since that is indeed what he was smoking. He was also arrested and held for seven years by the inquisition so he must have learned to roll them when he learned to smoke them. Whatever...

I also came across 5 rolling methods but the hybrid/figurado method was always "another" method whereas the first four are referred to as "the" rolling methods. I included the 5th one in my answer anyway.

It was fun searching for the answers and I hop to see thecigarchick's interpretation of the right answers soon.

By the way Greg, Raleigh was awesome, sort of.

[TheRiddick]

I still have no idea what any of this have to do with smoking cigars. Very few wine drinkers know much about wine history, hell, even professional writers know little, and yet it doesn't stop anyone from enjoying cigars.

A quiz better tuned to cigar smokers would be like this:

1. Who was the good for nothing actor idiot to use children as ruse to raise taxes on tobacco products sold in Kalifornia in late 1990s? And where did the money go?

2. When Federal level SCHIP tax kicked in last year, similar to the one passed in Kalifornia in the '90s, why wasn't similar Kalifornia tax repealed? Are Kalifornia kids getting double the benefit now with 2 taxes "helping them out"? Where does the money go in both cases?

3. When marijuana growing and sales are legally approved in Kalifornia, what odds are there that someone in Sacramento's "think tank" (yeah, I know, a huge stretch of imagination) will find a way to tie in sale of tobacco products to marijuana sales to raise taxes on tobacco even higher? 5-1? 10-1? 50-1?

[akumushi]

Sure, you can enjoy anything ignorantly, but anybody that cares enough about a topic to join a forum centered around it (ie: every inmate here) is probably going to have enough passion about that topic to want to learn some history. Cigars have a long and rich history, which is in and of its self interesting, and while the quiz in the OP may not be much of anything, you seem to be suggesting that knowledge of cigar history is not related to cigar smoking. I find that cigar history and the general techniques of storage, smoking etc that one finds on forums like this adds to my enjoyment of cigars immensely

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

I still have no idea what any of this have to do with smoking cigars. Very few wine drinkers know much about wine history, hell, even professional writers know little, and yet it doesn't stop anyone from enjoying cigars.

A quiz better tuned to cigar smokers would be like this:

1. Who was the good for nothing actor idiot to use children as ruse to raise taxes on tobacco products sold in Kalifornia in late 1990s? And where did the money go?

2. When Federal level SCHIP tax kicked in last year, similar to the one passed in Kalifornia in the '90s, why wasn't similar Kalifornia tax repealed? Are Kalifornia kids getting double the benefit now with 2 taxes "helping them out"? Where does the money go in both cases?

3. When marijuana growing and sales are legally approved in Kalifornia, what odds are there that someone in Sacramento's "think tank" (yeah, I know, a huge stretch of imagination) will find a way to tie in sale of tobacco products to marijuana sales to raise taxes on tobacco even higher? 5-1? 10-1? 50-1?

[TheRiddick]

How does knowing about tobacco and alcohol tax proposal of 1794 make you enjoy cigars more? Or what Churchill called his "paper" trick given the fact that no one else has used it since? Do you know what size and shape was it and HOW it was used meaning just how it fit over a cigar? What kind of paper used? Does the creator of the quiz?

Just curious.

Like I said, even really serious wine drinkers won't pass a well put together wine history quiz, I'd bet 90% fail even on professional level, and yet I have never heard anyone tell me that this lack of wine history knowledge makes them enjoy wine less. I'll even state that 90% of so called "sommeliers" in restaurants know very little about wine based on my experience and interacting with them. Yet I am sure they do enjoy wines tremendously.

It would make more sense if cigar smokers could ID cigar components in a blind taste. THAT is the true enjoyment of cigars, IMO, and true knowledge of a product.

[akumushi]

Again, I wasn't defending the OP, there is a difference between history and trivia. The OP was really just a list of banal trivia, and the answers as such wouldn't help me enjoy cigars more, but it seems like you're saying that knowledge of cigar history doesn't add to the enjoyment of cigars. IMO, studying cigar history gives one a sense of what has come before, and adds to the enjoyment of cigars by giving one an appreciation of the craftsmanship and long work that goes into the making of this subtle thing that is a cigar. Call it food for thought as you savor your smoke. I agree that people should develop their palates, and blind taste tests are extremely fun to participate in and, I think, are essential for any serious cigar smoker's development as a connaisseur. But I would defend the value of history to cigar smoker's enjoyment of the hobby as well.

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

How does knowing about tobacco and alcohol tax proposal of 1794 make you enjoy cigars more? Or what Churchill called his "paper" trick given the fact that no one else has used it since? Do you know what size and shape was it and HOW it was used meaning just how it fit over a cigar? What kind of paper used? Does the creator of the quiz?

Just curious.

Like I said, even really serious wine drinkers won't pass a well put together wine history quiz, I'd bet 90% fail even on professional level, and yet I have never heard anyone tell me that this lack of wine history knowledge makes them enjoy wine less. I'll even state that 90% of so called "sommeliers" in restaurants know very little about wine based on my experience and interacting with them. Yet I am sure they do enjoy wines tremendously.

It would make more sense if cigar smokers could ID cigar components in a blind taste. THAT is the true enjoyment of cigars, IMO, and true knowledge of a product.

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

How does knowing about tobacco and alcohol tax proposal of 1794 make you enjoy cigars more? Or what Churchill called his "paper" trick given the fact that no one else has used it since? Do you know what size and shape was it and HOW it was used meaning just how it fit over a cigar? What kind of paper used? Does the creator of the quiz?

Just curious.

Like I said, even really serious wine drinkers won't pass a well put together wine history quiz, I'd bet 90% fail even on professional level, and yet I have never heard anyone tell me that this lack of wine history knowledge makes them enjoy wine less. I'll even state that 90% of so called "sommeliers" in restaurants know very little about wine based on my experience and interacting with them. Yet I am sure they do enjoy wines tremendously.

It would make more sense if cigar smokers could ID cigar components in a blind taste. THAT is the true enjoyment of cigars, IMO, and true knowledge of a product.

try me

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

try me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwfP2fSjA7U

Sorry, I belong to Adriftpanda and Sonic Mike.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

try me

You really think you can do better than the likes of Laube, Heimoff, Parker, Stone and others?

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

You really think you can do better than the likes of Laube, Heimoff, Parker, Stone and others?

I think Huy and Mike can do better than anyone!

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

You really think you can do better than the likes of Laube, Heimoff, Parker, Stone and others?

and you stumped all of them? who are you, michel rolland?

[GKitty]

Well, I'm gonna do a lil bragging for a minute....

I won!!

Has my knowledge of cigar and tobacco history been expanded and enhanced? YES! Will my next stick taste better because of it? Probably not. Do I get to do a happy dance?!?! You betcha!!

I hope everyone who chose to participate had a good time. I know I learned a thing or three.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled shenanigans.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by Robert Mabona

and you stumped all of them? who are you, michel rolland?

No, I simply tasted with them, save for Parker. And watched them falter. Parker's notes are full of technical errors pointing to his obvious lack of understanding how wine is made. Others make errors when trying to guess how a wine was made. ALL of them falter when trying to assign particular flavors and traits to what they believe are choices made in a winery, beliefs that are often in error. I won't even get to the level of wine guys in retail and restaurants, very few are qualified and simply recite some keywords they learned without understanding what they actually mean.

In 2001, just a month after 9/11, I was in Boston on business and happened to be invited to attend their annual Mondavi Dinner. Only the best retail account people and their best customers buying Mondavi wines were allowed to attend (Mondavi paid for it) and the dinner started with a blind tasting, they poured 6 vintages of Mondavi Reserve, and people were asked to pin vintages to each glass. By the time they revealed 2nd glass, only one person in the room had 2 for 2. Let me repeat again, BEST retailers selling the wine.

I can cite many more examples of "professionals" failing miserably and personally observed by me. But hey, sounds like you have them all beat, my hat is off to you.

Anyway, its not a wine discussion thread and we disagree a lot, I see. No biggie to me.

[GKitty]

Her most recent blog entry is about Cigars and Bourbon, a pair I know a few people around here enjoy.

*Edit - Too slow on the keyboard today*