Ban on tobacco urged in military

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

[Flat4boxer]

Originally Posted by Aldebaran

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

You can't have "tons" of "conservative, republican and even some centrist support" from a democratically controlled house and senate.

The numbers just don't support "tons". You might get away with "one or two jumping ship" but not "tons".

Originally Posted by Flat4boxer

You can't have "tons" of "conservative, republican and even some centrist support" from a democratically controlled house and senate.

The numbers just don't support "tons". You might get away with "one or two jumping ship" but not "tons".

Tons in this instance is not indicative of majority of the entire political spectrum but rather enough to oppose an argument that it is always "liberals" that are blocking or impeding smoking freedoms.

I mean on the S-CHIP bill one quarters of republicans voted for and the other three quarters werent always against the principle of the bill but rather the extremity of it. This isnt the case for the Senate though in that particular vote.

The FDA being able to regulate tobacco was passed 79 for 17 against. If we were to assume that the then 59 democrats voted for it then , a majority of the Republican Senate was still in favor of it.

For example Utah a majoirty republican state passes anti-smoking law, same with my state Arizona.

I'm not liberal at all, but it just irks me when I see pointless namecalling, pigeonholing and general ignorance of a subject. If you really want to smoke in peace you are going to have to know your enemy and not just assume who they are.

In fact I would say recent lobbying has more of an impact on anti-tobacco law than liberals.

edit

I wrote this a bit hastily, so sorry for any incoherence.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes

Is a carpet bagger a new yorker? I'm neither a southerner or a yankee, but from what I understand you folks in NC have had A LOT of yankees moving down to your state.

New Yorkers or Yankees in general.





I didn't mean to turn this political, but most true Southerners are conservative in their politics, while most Yankees are Liberal in their politics. Not stereotyping anyone or trying to start a political debate. But most country folk are pro-gun, pro-smoking, while many yankees (big city ones) are anti-gun, anti-smoking.

Big city people vs. country people. This is the true TWO AMERICAS.

[ActionAndy]

Originally Posted by andysutherland

New Yorkers or Yankees in general.





I didn't mean to turn this political, but most true Southerners are conservative in their politics, while most Yankees are Liberal in their politics. Not stereotyping anyone or trying to start a political debate. But most country folk are pro-gun, pro-smoking, while many yankees (big city ones) are anti-gun, anti-smoking.

Big city people vs. country people. This is the true TWO AMERICAS.

And there's a lot of people living in New York who say "how'd I get surrounded by fools?" on a day to day basis.

[SmokeyJoe]

Originally Posted by Aldebaran

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

[mikeyj23]

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

[hornitosmonster]

Originally Posted by Aldebaran

I see a lot of bashing on liberals in this thread but I'd like to point out a lot of the recent legislature has been passed with tons of conservative, republcan, and even some centrist support.

Not bashing liberals...bashing the slow erosion of our rights. The USA was turning into a Nanny state long before Obama...

I do not think any of us can say that this is the same USA of our childhood...