Miss-Used Cigar Term! STOGIE?

[dave]

Originally Posted by markem

I think that anyone who has so much time on their hands to nitpick about out-of-date terms for stogies should get a job as a greeter at Walmart.

Language is dynamic. Terms take on new meanings. Being stuck in the past is just that.

I disagree. I think language is important. Dynamic, of course, but understanding nuances and perceptions is significant. At least, it can be if one wants to communicate. I'm not sure how an interest in English distinctions and variations makes them Walmart Greeter material...not that there's anything wrong with that

I had a botl friend that was insistent upon saying that he was 'going to enjoy a cigar' vice 'going to smoke a cigar'. He thought the distinction important. I didn't adopt his convention, but I respect it....and do use it at times.

[markem]

Originally Posted by dave

I disagree. I think language is important. Dynamic, of course, but understanding nuances and perceptions is significant. At least, it can be if one wants to communicate. I'm not sure how an interest in English distinctions and variations makes them Walmart Greeter material...not that there's anything wrong with that

I had a botl friend that was insistent upon saying that he was 'going to enjoy a cigar' vice 'going to smoke a cigar'. He thought the distinction important. I didn't adopt his convention, but I respect it....and do use it at times.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I am, however, pointing out that if, in the common vernacular, the term 'stogie' is not associated with a particular type of wagon from the 1800s (that is considered an apocryphal story, btw) then jumping up and down insisting that everyone is wrong is kinda silly and more than out-moded.

By all means, be specific with language, but language is intended to communicate ideas and information, not be a source of pedantic argument, unless you are an editor or similar or maybe John Cleese . I use terms loosely in order to help insure (compare: ensure) the listener understands the meaning of my statement. I could be very tight on proper usage and insist that everyone else do same, but the goal, the communication of ideas and information, would (possibly) be lost.

btw, with your friend, the first is a proper subset of the second. Where is The Professor (a real professor of rhetoric) when you need him...

[croatan]

Originally Posted by markem

Where is The Professor (a real professor of rhetoric) when you need him...

Changing diapers, last I heard...

Many of us emigrated from a fabled, once great land that was partially called "Stogie". It's long gone now, but the friendships remain. And I don't give a crap what someone calls his or her cigar. Cigar smokers get a bad enough rap as it is without going out of our way to be unnecessarily pedantic.

[Tio Gato]

[kydsid]

Originally Posted by croatan

Cigar smokers get a bad enough rap as it is without going out of our way to be unnecessarily pedantic.

Hey we'd have to throw out half the conversations at a herf if being pedantic wasn't allowed.