So what's the line on Farve retiring for good mid-season?

Originally Posted by 14holestogie

Favre's too proud to retire, but I'd wager he doesn't finish the year.
Injury or suspension ends his career before the season is half over.

Love the player, hate the person he's become.

Become? I'd argue that he's the same person he's always been.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Wanger

Become? I'd argue that he's the same person he's always been.

I agree completely.
It's easy to get the media mixed up with the ballplayer. While he might come out and suck some days, you're gonna get 1000% out of him every single game.
I said it before and I'll say it again...
Brett Farve will be able to outgame most of the quarterbacks in this league 20 years from now, in his hoveround.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by Wanger

Become? I'd argue that he's the same person he's always been.

LOL, this I can't necessarily agree with either though!

[14holestogie]

Originally Posted by 14holestogie

Love the player, hate the person he's become.

Let me clarify.

Used to be a loveable hick.

Now he's just a self-absorbed d*ck.

Maybe he always was and my eyes were glossed over all his years in GB.

Originally Posted by 14holestogie

Let me clarify.

Used to be a loveable hick.

Now he's just a self-absorbed d*ck.

Maybe he always was and my eyes were glossed over all his years in GB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASBJJBIZVmk

Bad to the bone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pIvg-2vEY

[pektel]

I was disappointed with last night's game. They should not take this long to find a groove. Our defense is STELLAR. Holding the Jets to ZERO TD's with how long they held the football? But the Jets did tame Jared Allen.

Running game is decent.

Percy Harvin + Moss + Rice would be a real contender.

Are all the pieces there? Yep. Just need to put them together. My .02.

I have NO idea why they didn't put Moss in motion ONCE.

Originally Posted by pektel

I was disappointed with last night's game. They should not take this long to find a groove. Our defense is STELLAR. Holding the Jets to ZERO TD's with how long they held the football? But the Jets did tame Jared Allen.

Running game is decent.

Percy Harvin + Moss + Rice would be a real contender.

Are all the pieces there? Yep. Just need to put them together. My .02.

I have NO idea why they didn't put Moss in motion ONCE.

You know why they may not be able to get all the pieces to work well together? COACHING!!! I have said it hundreds of times that Chili as a head coach will NOT get them the rings they want. Frazier as HC might. They decisions and playcalling and gameplan pretty much suck from week to week.

The running game is better than decent...they just don't run enough. AP has only 18 carries in a game where it was a slog fest in the first half? Are you f'in kidding me? Run your horse!!! He's one of the top 2 backs in the game! Use the running game to open up the passing game!

As for the D, I'll borrow a take that I've heard...Allen disappears against the top tackles. Ferguson essentially ate him up last night. He will terrorize the weaker tackles, but the best of the best have very little trouble with him it seems. I'd expect him to be able to beat one of them occasionally. However, he DOES make plays down the line and has chased things down from the backside, so I won't completely rake him over the coals on this one. But for the kind of $ he's making and his reputation...

Why not put Moss in motion? He has no idea what the terminology and anything else they'll need him to do is. Look at the routes they had him running: flys. posts, post corners...essentially all deep routes. Once he actually learns the offense and has a better grip on what's going on on the plays, they'll be able to move him around and utilize his talents even more. think about this...even with his limited knowledge of the O and 2 TOP CBs on the opponent, he still had 80yds and a score. Plus, how his presence opened up the middle for Harvin. I hope that we'll see things open up more for Shiancoe as defenses try to keep an eye on Harvin AND Moss.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by Wanger

Why not put Moss in motion? He has no idea what the terminology and anything else they'll need him to do is. Look at the routes they had him running: flys. posts, post corners...essentially all deep routes. Once he actually learns the offense and has a better grip on what's going on on the plays, they'll be able to move him around and utilize his talents even more. think about this...even with his limited knowledge of the O and 2 TOP CBs on the opponent, he still had 80yds and a score. Plus, how his presence opened up the middle for Harvin. I hope that we'll see things open up more for Shiancoe as defenses try to keep an eye on Harvin AND Moss.

Agreed, hell, Moss only had three days to get some limited knowledge of the offense. He's never worked in a west coast offense, it'll take some time.

[pektel]

Originally Posted by Wanger

You know why they may not be able to get all the pieces to work well together? COACHING!!! I have said it hundreds of times that Chili as a head coach will NOT get them the rings they want. Frazier as HC might. They decisions and playcalling and gameplan pretty much suck from week to week.

The running game is better than decent...they just don't run enough. AP has only 18 carries in a game where it was a slog fest in the first half? Are you f'in kidding me? Run your horse!!! He's one of the top 2 backs in the game! Use the running game to open up the passing game!

As for the D, I'll borrow a take that I've heard...Allen disappears against the top tackles. Ferguson essentially ate him up last night. He will terrorize the weaker tackles, but the best of the best have very little trouble with him it seems. I'd expect him to be able to beat one of them occasionally. However, he DOES make plays down the line and has chased things down from the backside, so I won't completely rake him over the coals on this one. But for the kind of $ he's making and his reputation...

Why not put Moss in motion? He has no idea what the terminology and anything else they'll need him to do is. Look at the routes they had him running: flys. posts, post corners...essentially all deep routes. Once he actually learns the offense and has a better grip on what's going on on the plays, they'll be able to move him around and utilize his talents even more. think about this...even with his limited knowledge of the O and 2 TOP CBs on the opponent, he still had 80yds and a score. Plus, how his presence opened up the middle for Harvin. I hope that we'll see things open up more for Shiancoe as defenses try to keep an eye on Harvin AND Moss.

Agree completely. I was understating the "decent" running game lol. And I agree that the largest area for improvement is the coaching.

As far as Moss, I think he's a great receiver, and just don't like to see him used as a decoy. I get the idea behind it, though. Obviously, as the case was with the Harvin TD pass.

Originally Posted by Volusianator

Agreed, hell, Moss only had three days to get some limited knowledge of the offense. He's never worked in a west coast offense, it'll take some time.

Agreed. For some reason I completely dismissed the fact that he had so little time to learn new plays/strategies.

Originally Posted by pektel

As far as Moss, I think he's a great receiver, and just don't like to see him used as a decoy. I get the idea behind it, though. Obviously, as the case was with the Harvin TD pass.

Well...against many other teams when running that play, it won't be a simple decoy. He can and WILL be open deep on that route, but if the defense can actually take it away from them (as NY did on that particular play), then Harvin underneath (or Shiancoe) is the money route. Sometimes you gotta design plays to clear areas for other players, like that one, and depending on how it's play, what you expect to be covered may actually be open. That's the beauty of having a player like Moss. And with how many times they tried to actually throw to him on the "go" route, I didn't see him being a decoy all that often.

[BeerAdvocate]

I dont see him lasting all season, did you see him holding his elbow.
That tendennidis is going to flare up the more and more games he plays.
The Vikings sold their soul for Brett Favre to come back, and its going to be all for nothing!

[Da Klugs]

Ya gotta admit.... he makes it fun to watch. Its like a train speeding towards trouble. Sometimes it makes it through to the cheering adulation, sometimes its crash and burn. (Interceptions) In either case it keeps you watching.

Brutal schedule for the Packers coming up. Should be interesting. Maybe if they had a world class running back to hand off to occasionally.....

[replicant_argent]

I was going to go for "sado-masochistic pick tosser," but I digress.

[Volusianator]

I guess I just have thicker skin, or don't need anybody else to stand up for me. If someone says I have no clue what I'm talking about, I can handle that cause I'm a man. I don't need someone else to fight my battles.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

I can handle that cause I'm a man. I don't need someone else to fight my battles.

No one is fighting anyone else's battles, the Mods try to keep comments relevant to topics (even if it is insulting Brett Favre) and not about insulting other members.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by icehog3

the Mods try to keep comments relevant to topics (even if it is insulting Brett Favre) and not about insulting other members.

And as I said, my comment was on topic. I could care less if someone insults Brendt Farve, I have no relations to him, however my comment was correct, the person who I first quoted has no clue as to what he's talking about if he feels that Farve really is only concerned with himself and his records. As much as I loathe Brendt for going to the Vikings, his passion for the game is purely based on winning, period. I DJ a tailgate party at Brett Favres Steakhouse for every home game and more private parties for the Packers than I can count. I've had a great number of conversations with #4 in the past and would call him a friend, as he would me. In no way shape or form is his motivation personal or record related. So yes, in this situation, the person I quoted has no clue as to what the hell he's talking about...although he is entitled to his opinion.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

So yes, in this situation, the person I quoted has no clue as to what the hell he's talking about...although he is entitled to his opinion.

As the Mods are entitled to have conditions they expect members to adhere to on the board.

[Volusianator]

Originally Posted by icehog3

As the Mods are entitled to have conditions they expect members to adhere to on the board.

Well if my comment was really that bad of an offense, then they have it pretty freakin' easy here now don't they?!

[rizzle]

Originally Posted by Volusianator

I guess I just have thicker skin, or don't need anybody else to stand up for me. If someone says I have no clue what I'm talking about, I can handle that cause I'm a man. I don't need someone else to fight my battles.

Sorry, carry on...

[Whee]

Seems like the orderlies have not been handing out meds on schedule around here lately.