So. what does Russ have to say?

[jrw]

When will Cuban Cigars be legal?

On a recent call with Rush Limbaugh, one caller asked when the Cuban cigar would be sold legally in the US. Here is Mr. Limbaugh’s answer from the transcript of the call:

It is going to be a long time before you will be able to get Cuban cigars legally in the United States. Even if the embargo — let’s say Barack Obama comes in and lifts the embargo, even if he does, even if he lifts the embargo, it’s going to happen in stages. The first thing he’ll lift is travel restrictions, but I don’t think he’s gonna go very quickly on opening up full-fledged trade with Cuba. But even if he did, let’s say even if he did, you have no clue what is ahead of us as cigar smokers. What will happen is that the domestic manufacturers, defined by those who are in the Dominican and in Honduras, Nicaragua, Cameroon, all of the places where elements of cigars are grown, and all the places where they’re assembled, these people have in many cases marketed the brands of the Cuban cigars you’re talking about, Hoyo de Monterrey, Punch, Romeo Y Julieta, Simon Bolivar, all of these great Cuban brands have been marketed by other owners in the United States, and they are going to go to the Commerce Department, and they’re going to say we have made these brands popular, we have invested in the product and in the brand in this country, and they’re gonna ask the Commerce Department to ban the import of competing brand-name cigars from Cuba.

The second thing that will happen is that the domestic producers I’m talking about from the people in Dominican to Nicaragua, Honduras, they are going to say we want raw Cuban tobacco to be able to blend it with our cigars. They’re gonna do everything they can to keep the Cuban cigars you want out of this country legally in a host of ways. Then we haven’t even discussed the Cuban exile community in Florida and other places they live. They are going to be all over the State Department saying, “We want our property back that Castro took from us.” They want their property back and they want their factories back, and they want their companies back, and some of them are cigars, some of them are rum. If the embargo ends tomorrow, you aren’t going to see a legitimate Cuban cigar for years in this country.

It is insurmountable, unless somebody waves a magic wand. But just stop and think of it from the competitive standpoint of all these people that have their own Hoyo, who have their own Punch cigars, who have their own Romeo, who have their own Montecristos — well, Montecristo is a different circumstance because the company that owns the Cuban Montecristo is in Spain, and they also use the brand here, so you might be able to get some of theirs in, you might be able to get a Montecristo from Cuba, but you can’t have these Cuban cigars come in. Who’s going to make the Cubans change their brands? Their brand names are older than ours. So it’s going to be a black market for quite a while. Besides, Obama smokes cigarette

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I have found Rush to be right more than he is wrong imo.

[cort]

Thanks for the post.


Good read

[Yazzie]

Yes very interesting

[MikeyC]

I looked at this thread title and though "Who's Russ? Why does anyone care what he has to say?"

Rush makes some interesting points though.

[Yazzie]

[quote=MikeyC;142319 "Who's Russ? [/QUOTE] Alter Ego

Sorry for the Threadjack but couldn't resist

Good informative post

[groogs]

Good read, thanks for the post.

I find that Mr. Limbaugh uses more oxygen than he is allowed and expels more BS than the average four legged creature of same.

[Mr Edmundo]

Originally Posted by MikeyC

I looked at this thread title and though "Who's Russ? Why does anyone care what he has to say?"

Rush makes some interesting points though.

Actually that works equally as well with either Russ or Rush.

[icehog3]

I want to know what Russell Crowe has to say!

Probably...."Let's fight!!"

[Bax]

Originally Posted by Cigary

I find that Mr. Limbaugh uses more oxygen than he is allowed and expels more BS than the average four legged creature of same.

Kinda in the same boat

[Don Fernando]

Originally Posted by jrw

discussed the Cuban exile community in Florida and other places they live. They are going to be all over the State Department saying, “We want our property back that Castro took from us.” They want their property back and they want their factories back, and they want their companies back, and some of them are cigars, some of them are rum. If the embargo ends tomorrow, you aren’t going to see a legitimate Cuban cigar for years in this country.

This is a non argument for this particular question. Lifting the embargo is a US matter, reclaiming of property is a matter between the exiles and the Cuban government. The Castro regime isn't over yet, and won't be over if the embargo was lifted today of tomorrow.

This could only be an argument when the Castro regime falls and the embargo is lifted at the same time, or when the embargo is lifted because of such an event.

[brigey57]

Originally Posted by jrw

When will Cuban Cigars be legal?

When sometin in America freezes over I believe. Ohh I felt a chill

[AD720]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I want to know what Russell Crowe has to say!

Probably...."Let's fight!!"

Makin' movies, makin music and...

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by AD720

Makin' movies, makin music and...

Don't forget Tuggy!

[bobarian]

Who cares what "Russ" has to say. He doesnt have a clue!
He throws out names like he has knowledge.

In reality Altadis, the owner of US rights to Punch, RyJ, Montecristo and many other "Cuban" names, also owns 50% of Habanos, SA. IF, and that's a big IF, distribution is less of a problem than supply.

Originally Posted by bobarian

Who cares what "Russ" has to say. He doesnt have a clue!
He throws out names like he has knowledge.

In reality Altadis, the owner of US rights to Punch, RyJ, Montecristo and many other "Cuban" names, also owns 50% of Habanos, SA. IF, and that's a big IF, distribution is less of a problem than supply.

Don't let him hear you say that or he'll spend the next 10 years trying to convince you that you are wrong. Just tell him two words,,,,Oxy Contin. He will follow you around like a puppy and scratch at your door and be your bestest of friends.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by Cigary

Don't let him hear you say that or he'll spend the next 10 years trying to convince you that you are wrong. Just tell him two words,,,,Oxy Contin. He will follow you around like a puppy and scratch at your door and be your bestest of friends.

Wow. Just wow.

[Raralith]

I can't see how the Cubans that fled could get their land back since it was nationalized. Yes, it's terrible, but it's no longer their property reguardless if it was taken unfairly from them, but for the good of the country.

As for the NC vs CC, yeah huge players are already owners with Habano's S.A. so at least those won't be a problem. The other brands though, that is going to be quite a pickle. I'm thinking the NC's will win out, and like how in Canada you can't get NC's, well you won't be able to get those CC's.

[MikeyC]

Originally Posted by Raralith

I can't see how the Cubans that fled could get their land back since it was nationalized. Yes, it's terrible, but it's no longer their property reguardless if it was taken unfairly from them, but for the good of the country.

As for the NC vs CC, yeah huge players are already owners with Habano's S.A. so at least those won't be a problem. The other brands though, that is going to be quite a pickle. I'm thinking the NC's will win out, and like how in Canada you can't get NC's, well you won't be able to get those CC's.

It would seem to me that in order for any of the exiles to get their property back there would have to be a whole new government in place in Cuba. There were people who had their property returned after it was stolen by Nazis in WWII but obviously this is a much different situation.