Cigary

There are so many coffee joints around anymore it's hard to judge one chain from another. I have had great coffee from DD and Starbucks and Gloria Jeans and so on and depending on who is making it means alot. If you make it too strong it sucks. If the person making it puts too little it sucks,,,so its a bit subjective as far as how makes the best coffee. When I find a place that makes it great,,,that is where I go. As far as donuts go both of those places don't hold a candle to places like La Mars donuts or other places that have been around for decades and make it fresh.