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mithrilG60 · 06-01-2010, 04:36 PM

You're right, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. Webber 1st, Vettel 2nd or Vettel 1st, Webber 2nd..... either result gives the same number of points to RedBull insofar as the constructors championship is concerned. The difference is in the drivers championship in which they were tied for the lead. The constructors championship doesn't give any reason for Webber to pull over and give Vettel that pass when he had both track position and the racing line. In point of fact the drivers championship gives him every reason to exert his rights and hold the racing line. Your argument can be applied equally in reverse that ensuring constructors points was reason enough for Vettel to NOT attempt that pass. It's just as wrong when applied to that scenario too.

As I said above, Webber played the team player by not closing the door on Vettel right from the outside. He was more than entitled to hold his line against Vettel just as he would be against any other driver. I might agree with your assessment if there had been any indication that Webber had acted to block or interfere with Vettel's attempt. However, watch the replays there is clearly no hand or wheel movement on Webber's part until Vettel hits him he has to fight to maintain control of his car. F1's not drag racing, the fastest car isn't automatically entitled to the win. Neither Vettel nor anyone else is owed a clear path by any driver on that track. Vettel had another 1 or 2 laps at a 10th faster than Webber before he too had to switch engine maps to conserve fuel, if he couldn't find a way past Webber in those couple laps then tough titty. It's absolutely no different than Alonso getting held up by slower cars in Monaco or what Schumacher has done to Button in a couple races now or the Trulli Trains from last season, if you can't find a way past the car in front of you your car can be seconds per lap faster than anyone else.... you're still not getting that win.

Vettel took himself completely out of the race and cost Weber the win through driver error. In the process he cost the team valuable points in the constructors championship, as well loosing points for both himself and Webber in drivers championship. If anyone's was a prick in this situation it's Vettel, and that's not a fair statement because it obviously was not intentional.

06-01-2010, 04:36 PM	#18
mithrilG60 Feeling at Home Join Date: Dec 2008 First Name: Geoff Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 733 Trading: (2)	Re: 2010 Formula One Thread You're right, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. Webber 1st, Vettel 2nd or Vettel 1st, Webber 2nd..... either result gives the same number of points to RedBull insofar as the constructors championship is concerned. The difference is in the drivers championship in which they were tied for the lead. The constructors championship doesn't give any reason for Webber to pull over and give Vettel that pass when he had both track position and the racing line. In point of fact the drivers championship gives him every reason to exert his rights and hold the racing line. Your argument can be applied equally in reverse that ensuring constructors points was reason enough for Vettel to NOT attempt that pass. It's just as wrong when applied to that scenario too. As I said above, Webber played the team player by not closing the door on Vettel right from the outside. He was more than entitled to hold his line against Vettel just as he would be against any other driver. I might agree with your assessment if there had been any indication that Webber had acted to block or interfere with Vettel's attempt. However, watch the replays there is clearly no hand or wheel movement on Webber's part until Vettel hits him he has to fight to maintain control of his car. F1's not drag racing, the fastest car isn't automatically entitled to the win. Neither Vettel nor anyone else is owed a clear path by any driver on that track. Vettel had another 1 or 2 laps at a 10th faster than Webber before he too had to switch engine maps to conserve fuel, if he couldn't find a way past Webber in those couple laps then tough titty. It's absolutely no different than Alonso getting held up by slower cars in Monaco or what Schumacher has done to Button in a couple races now or the Trulli Trains from last season, if you can't find a way past the car in front of you your car can be seconds per lap faster than anyone else.... you're still not getting that win. Vettel took himself completely out of the race and cost Weber the win through driver error. In the process he cost the team valuable points in the constructors championship, as well loosing points for both himself and Webber in drivers championship. If anyone's was a prick in this situation it's Vettel, and that's not a fair statement because it obviously was not intentional.