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Originally Posted by tobii3
Define ""sexual relations""
President Bill Clinton.
Funny you take the approach of ""It's not OUR fault, it's been happening since....." Just like everyone else who refuses to take RESPONSIBLITY for their actions....it's never THEIR fault, of course!!
""But Joey did it!! Why am I being punished??""
Personal Responsibility has been thrown out.
This is what’s wrong with our society. We’ve become a people that hold everyone responsible, but ourselves.
In the words of Herbert Spencer -
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
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Haha talk about a red herring... I never said anything about responsibility or people not taking it. I wasn't making an excuse for Tiger. I was responding to your post about society being different now a days because a marriage isn't sacred. Here read my post again...
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Originally Posted by coastietech
Umm no offense but infidelity has been around for as long as marriage has and has often been looked at the same way it is today.
I tend to laugh when people make it sound like our state of affairs today is worse than it was during any other part of history.
Here's a good quote for you...
"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
Just for the record that was a quote by Plato... Sounds like something you would here some old guy now a days say right.
My point is the same things that happen today, happened yesterday, last year, last decade, and last century.
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Now that you've done that I will pick apart your above argument. Glad you brought up Bill Clinton. He took more responsibility for what he did then Kennedy did with Marilyn. So I guess that's a perfect example of how our society is going backwards right? The only difference in society now and 10 years ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago is the amount of information that is present and available and the fact that we become more civilized as a people. It's no longer acceptable to chop off an adulterers head. Doesn't mean there is a lack of responsibility. Tiger took responsibility he admitted he what he did. He risks losing his marriage, more money then you and I will ever see, and he risks losing the ability to see his kids everyday. How much more responsibility would you like him to take? He risked losing more than Paris risked when he took Helen of Troy. Hell he didn't even fight his own battle for her. Haven't you seen the movie?
My point, that you failed to see, was this... Society is exactly the same as it was in any other point in history. There has always been murder, rape, adultery, and ever other crime. Stats actually show that we are better as an American society than we have ever been. Your "Leave it to Beaver" society is and was a farce. The only difference between that era and this one is and was the ability or lack thereof to get information widely disseminated.
I've had this argument with many other people and no offense to you or your "debating skills", the facts and history is on my side. Pull out all the quotes you want, I can pull just as many if not more. We as a society are the same as we have always been no better and no worse.