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TheRiddick · 07-31-2009, 06:20 PM

You seem to completely miss my point. Go back to my second post and see that I made it clear that yes, I do understand that Pepin uses non Nicaraguan leaf for his CLIENTS, but none in his own lines. Main reason I gave a specific example (601 Conn).

Complexity wise, Cuban cigars have as varied a mix of complex and non-complex cigars as Nicaragua (I only go back smoking Cuban cigars for 20 odd years, and have on occasion smoked 30-35 year old Cuban cigars, so I am probably not be up top par with your own experience). Your statement that Cuban cigars have nothing to do with "full body" is precisely the reason I think we are talking apples and oranges, Cuban blends have been GREATLY adjusted starting in late '90s and if you have not smoked (much) earlier versions of these you have no idea of what I am saying. I have moved on to Nicaraguan smokes ever since just to get that full bodied cigar.

Nicaraguan cigars can be, AND ARE, as complex as Cuban, it simply depends on how one grows the leaf, seeds used and how blends are then assembled.

Just read that Pepin interview, many things will fall into place in regard to this discussion. And come to think of it, Pepin himself does not advertise "Cuban" anything, at least not in anything I have seen, nor have I seen Fernande do so, they simply do what they know best.

I do not disagree with you that too many these days advertise their products as "Cuban" in flavor, its a shame IMO, but of all people CAO is one company that should not do so, none of their cigar lines has ever resembled anything "Cuban".

07-31-2009, 06:20 PM	#15
TheRiddick Non-believer Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Greg Location: Las Vegas Posts: 943 Trading: (7)	Re: CAO Traviata You seem to completely miss my point. Go back to my second post and see that I made it clear that yes, I do understand that Pepin uses non Nicaraguan leaf for his CLIENTS, but none in his own lines. Main reason I gave a specific example (601 Conn). Complexity wise, Cuban cigars have as varied a mix of complex and non-complex cigars as Nicaragua (I only go back smoking Cuban cigars for 20 odd years, and have on occasion smoked 30-35 year old Cuban cigars, so I am probably not be up top par with your own experience). Your statement that Cuban cigars have nothing to do with "full body" is precisely the reason I think we are talking apples and oranges, Cuban blends have been GREATLY adjusted starting in late '90s and if you have not smoked (much) earlier versions of these you have no idea of what I am saying. I have moved on to Nicaraguan smokes ever since just to get that full bodied cigar. Nicaraguan cigars can be, AND ARE, as complex as Cuban, it simply depends on how one grows the leaf, seeds used and how blends are then assembled. Just read that Pepin interview, many things will fall into place in regard to this discussion. And come to think of it, Pepin himself does not advertise "Cuban" anything, at least not in anything I have seen, nor have I seen Fernande do so, they simply do what they know best. I do not disagree with you that too many these days advertise their products as "Cuban" in flavor, its a shame IMO, but of all people CAO is one company that should not do so, none of their cigar lines has ever resembled anything "Cuban".