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OLS · 05-14-2014, 06:33 AM

Well that's good, because it makes what I clumsily tried to do to address it seem less know-it-all-y,
although I am sure no less insulting, lol. I have/had no idea what level of photographic knowledge you
possess, whether or not you were rolling your eyes at me and thinking "DUH", or whether or not anything I said
helped you track down the grain-fairy. I would really like to see some improvement or resolution to your issue
so that we can get past the possibility that you bought a grainy camera cheap, lol. Grain basically comes from
just one place and that is off-the-chip signal gain noise. Underexposure and subsequent image manipulation can also
cause it, or as it is euphemistically known today, "shadow reclamation". I think. I also think I might have made it up.

Ron was REALLY upset before he got his D90. His D100 was not giving him the images he was looking for,
and I have not heard a peep out of him since he picked up his D90. SO I imagine he feels what you will feel
once you work this out. And he posts some of the sharpest pics in this thread, so I KNOW he is jazzed.

What I hope for you is that you end up finding a chunk of olde-tyme glass that gives you the ability to see in
the dark and comes in a lot cheaper than the alternative. You don't have to spend too much time looking at
2.8 lenses to grasp the economics. Pricey AND weighty. I know one thing I am guilty of is relating things that have
worked for me as the greatest things since sliced bread. Ask Ron what he thinks of my suggestion to buy a D100.
But while I would love to have a set of professional autofocus lenses, I don't make enough money on my shooting
to ever go that route. So I do tend to go on and on about the benefits of these old lenses. Canon digital folks can't even
use THEIR old MF lenses without an adapter for THEIR OWN BRAND. Nikon-ers are lucky, all we have to do is twist and click.

One thing I know I will never hear from someone who picks up a 200mm f/4 on my advice and that is "YOU A-HOLE!
You screwed me out of $60 with your crazy scheme."

05-14-2014, 06:33 AM	#3793
OLS Suck It Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Brad Location: TN Posts: 7,912 Trading: (19)	Re: Photography Thread Well that's good, because it makes what I clumsily tried to do to address it seem less know-it-all-y, although I am sure no less insulting, lol. I have/had no idea what level of photographic knowledge you possess, whether or not you were rolling your eyes at me and thinking "DUH", or whether or not anything I said helped you track down the grain-fairy. I would really like to see some improvement or resolution to your issue so that we can get past the possibility that you bought a grainy camera cheap, lol. Grain basically comes from just one place and that is off-the-chip signal gain noise. Underexposure and subsequent image manipulation can also cause it, or as it is euphemistically known today, "shadow reclamation". I think. I also think I might have made it up. Ron was REALLY upset before he got his D90. His D100 was not giving him the images he was looking for, and I have not heard a peep out of him since he picked up his D90. SO I imagine he feels what you will feel once you work this out. And he posts some of the sharpest pics in this thread, so I KNOW he is jazzed. What I hope for you is that you end up finding a chunk of olde-tyme glass that gives you the ability to see in the dark and comes in a lot cheaper than the alternative. You don't have to spend too much time looking at 2.8 lenses to grasp the economics. Pricey AND weighty. I know one thing I am guilty of is relating things that have worked for me as the greatest things since sliced bread. Ask Ron what he thinks of my suggestion to buy a D100. But while I would love to have a set of professional autofocus lenses, I don't make enough money on my shooting to ever go that route. So I do tend to go on and on about the benefits of these old lenses. Canon digital folks can't even use THEIR old MF lenses without an adapter for THEIR OWN BRAND. Nikon-ers are lucky, all we have to do is twist and click. One thing I know I will never hear from someone who picks up a 200mm f/4 on my advice and that is "YOU A-HOLE! You screwed me out of $60 with your crazy scheme."