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					Originally Posted by gravel  Some questions for ya'll:
 1. I currently use matches or a pipe lighter to light my cigars. These work great in the garage, but less than stellar in the great outdoors. What lighters do you recommend and what should I look for in a butane lighter?
 
 2. This one might be better as it's own thread. What are the origins of the groups I see around here? (Zombies, Mafia, others?)
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 Haven't seen anyone mention them yet but, the Jetline super torch has been working well for me.  Triple torch power, large visible fuel tank and it lights up everytime.  A little pricier than the Ronsons but I think it's been worth it.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/l...e-super-torch/