[smelvis]

I started on the red dot and have a large supple of all the different vitolas. I Love the black and as said at retail it is to much money. I find myself going to them less now but that is because I am working my way through the thousands of others out there not to mention Cubans.

My trick I never paid retail ever. I would use the JR action and check it all the time The Puro Dominicanos which is one of my favorites and I paid less than half on most and a hair over on a few. My trick was finding auctions ending late night and early morning and bidding at the end, and do NOT pay more than you are comfortable with.

Good Luck!

Dave