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Lexxxus 09-18-2017 12:00 PM

Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Hey all, been off the forum for a while. Could use some advice.

After years of dreaming about it, I'm finally building a shop / smoking lounge. I detest the term Man Cave. This is a place I can store and tinker on my motorcycles and have the gang over for cigars. I will post some pics but wanted some help / advice on air handling.

It's 936 sq feet and with 6 inch stud construction and drywall it's got 880 sq ft of useable space. 10 foot walls with parallel chord trusses making for a 15 foot ceiling height at peak.

Being in Winnipeg, in-floor heating was a must for winter months. I ran 1,000 feet of Rehau tubing in the 6" pad (1 foot thickened edge) I utilized Halo insulation under the concrete and below the tubing. 4 zone Rehau manifold with a 10KW boiler. Also employing an HRV to turn the air about 5-6 times an hour. In the coldest months I will need to cope with heat loss so my electrician is considering a solution possibly using a duct heater. Also considering a way to use the boiler for secondary heat. It might be a nightmare to "plumb" so in-duct heater might be how we're going. I have 100 amp service but don't want to go to the poorhouse paying the hydro bill.

The last piece of the puzzle is some secondary air handling equipment to deal with the smoke. The HRV should remove most but I've been thinking about adding 4 Purifan units on the ceiling. I saw them in JD's office at Drew Estates in Miami and they seemed to really work.

Other forums have been saying they are not good for cigar smoke. Others are suggesting an ionizing unit.

The HRV goes in next week along with the boiler and manifold.

Anyone have any suggestions? I guy I know has a kick ass HRV but he paid $40k and it costs a bundle to run. I'm looking for a champagne solution on a beer budget. I also worry about cigars burning poorly and unsure if I will be creating pressure imbalances using the HRV and the fans?

Any closet mechanical / electrical engineers who smoke out there?

Wayne

Lexxxus 09-18-2017 12:53 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Some pics of the project:

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...DAC22720D1.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...198A07191F.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...D43DEC6670.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...A00498CD13.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...103863F043.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...F807516679.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...9DF2F23166.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...4D1380891E.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...CA39596B09.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...AA853F0229.jpg

http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...0A961DE5B6.jpg

Porch Dweller 09-18-2017 01:22 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
It might be just me but there are no pic's.

Lexxxus 09-18-2017 01:58 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Forgot how to edit on this forum.

???

Lexxxus 09-18-2017 02:14 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Here's the tubing and the HALO insulation
http://Richard.Rebelo@phdmedia.com
4 zones (each with a return line)
http://Richard.Rebelo@phdmedia.com
First of the cement going in
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...D43DEC6670.jpg
Messy work. The crew was very careful to not damage the heating hoses.
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...8B70C550CA.jpg
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...A00498CD13.jpg
Wall # 1 UP
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...EA3CA1E9A4.jpg
And #2
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...103863F043.jpg
And the final wall
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...F807516679.jpg
Parallel chord truss construction
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...9DF2F23166.jpg
15 feet to the peak
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...4D1380891E.jpg
View from the inside
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...AA853F0229.jpg
Two 7 foot triple pane windows on each side
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...CA39596B09.jpg
Trenching the power lines
http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...90B21BBF5C.jpg
My contractor. Besides by buddies who helped with the wall raising, this guy is doing the construction all himself. Have an electrician and a plumber and an HRV guy.http://http://i220.photobucket.com/a...90B21BBF5C.jpg
More pics soon.

Lexxxus 09-18-2017 02:15 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
??? Posted pics. Cannot see them or edit. What am I doing wrong?

AdamJoshua 09-18-2017 02:22 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Not sure. If you go to imgur.com you can hold them there and then here click the picture button and just use the link imgur gives you or you can click "go advanced" here, and then under manage attachments upload the pictures you want to put here, there are size limits (actual mb of the images) doing it that way.

Lexxxus 09-18-2017 02:53 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
NOW I REMEMBER... You only have a short length of time to edit, then the option disappears.

Here's some pics:


Here's the tubing and the HALO insulation:
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...DAC22720D1.jpg
4 zones (each with a return line)
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...802E2A29FC.jpg
First of the cement going in
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...D43DEC6670.jpg
Messy work. The crew was very careful to not damage the heating hoses.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...8B70C550CA.jpg
Pad complete
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...A00498CD13.jpg
Wall # 1 is up.

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...EA3CA1E9A4.jpg
And #2
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...103863F043.jpg
And the final wall
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...F807516679.jpg
Parallel chord truss construction
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...9DF2F23166.jpg
15 feet to the peak
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...4D1380891E.jpg
View from the inside
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...1540DE1CB3.jpg
Two 7 foot triple pane windows on each side
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...CA39596B09.jpg
Trenching for the power lines
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...90B21BBF5C.jpg
My contractor. Besides by buddies who helped with the wall raising, this guy is doing the construction all himself. Have 3 great friends with a ton of experience handling electrical, the HRV and the plumbing
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...0A961DE5B6.jpg
More pics soon

Wayne

CigarNut 09-18-2017 04:31 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Awesome!

The Poet 09-18-2017 05:01 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Thanks for the pics, at last. :D Looks awesome. But they illustrate your first error when it comes to ventilation . . . namely, you put up walls and a roof. ;)

icehog3 09-18-2017 05:37 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Very cool! :tu

I know Massphatness and jonumberone have installed smoking rooms recently, maybe they could provide some insight?

Bitaemo 09-18-2017 07:47 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Poet (Post 2133026)
Thanks for the pics, at last. :D Looks awesome. But they illustrate your first error when it comes to ventilation . . . namely, you put up walls and a roof. ;)

Hilarious!

elderboy02 09-18-2017 09:14 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Bada$$ :tu

Wharf Rat 09-19-2017 03:39 AM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
Believe it pr not, JR Cigars has some recommendations.

https://www.jrcigars.com/blending-ro...on/2015/06/22/

5 ACH puts you ahead of most rooms. But, it needs to be distributed. You may need ducts to dump the outside air over the smoking area.

Havanaaddict 09-19-2017 12:44 PM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
This is what I had in my first cigar lounge: Penn exhaust fan and is 1050 CFMs (a bit over kill for a bedroom size room) I am looking at either the Broan L700 701 CFM High Capacity Ventilator, 4.7 Sones, 120V or L900 901 CFM High Capacity Ventilator, 4.1 Sones, 120V also the Soler & Palau FF900 918 CFM 3.8 Sones.
For me I have to have the exhaust fan in the ceiling in the center of the room. So the Sones are very important on the good side the smoke only has to travel about 5 feet till in goes out side.

These units can be mounted in the ceiling or with a TDA kit can be mounted in the wall.

This website will give you more then enough info:
http://ryandeyer.com/cigar-room/

STEVE S 09-20-2017 10:09 AM

Re: Air handling in my smoking room.
 
That Looks like one heck of a smoking shop!


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