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Bruins Fan 08-14-2009 02:04 PM

crude oil
 
Can someone tell me why the price of gas keeps going up, when the price of crude keeps dropping?

jledou 08-14-2009 02:12 PM

Re: crude oil
 
It is supposed to be based on a straight supply and demand plus operating/production cost. Right now demand is down, supply is OK and refining capacity is at ~ 70-80% so right now I would set most of the price to speculation.

Steve 08-14-2009 03:07 PM

Re: crude oil
 
Somebody's betting on a couple of storms...

:td:td:td

The Poet 08-14-2009 04:04 PM

Re: crude oil
 
I don't know, but I wonder - did Exxon post a record-breaking profit for the umpteenth straight time? If not, there's your answer.

:ss

forgop 08-14-2009 07:14 PM

Re: crude oil
 
Obama's in bed with "big oil"?

loki 08-14-2009 07:35 PM

Re: crude oil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 510053)
Obama's in bed with "big oil"?

*face palm* there are any number of things you can blame the boy king for but this isn't one of them. if you remember oil hit an all time high under bush I'm all for hating obama but ya gota pick your battles.

the price of oil is going down and gas is going up for any number of reasons, fudging the refinery margins, the in house brokerage firms messing with prices, ect ect ect

Ashcan Bill 08-14-2009 08:19 PM

Re: crude oil
 
My personal opinion, with absolutely no hard empirical evidence to back it up, is it may have something to do with the government allowing the oil companies to merge, and merge, and merge again, until you now have a few vast monopolies that have driven the independents out of business. With Congress looking the other way, they can now fix prices at pretty much any level they want as long as they're generous with their campaign donations and can come up with some rationale that the media will buy.

Similar to the trusts from a hundred years ago that Teddy Roosevelt busted up.

Smokin Gator 08-14-2009 08:58 PM

Re: crude oil
 
Not that I disagree with your general premise... but the price of crude has been going up for a couple of months now.

Ratters 08-14-2009 09:17 PM

Re: crude oil
 
Price of crude is up a tad, but right now there are a lot of refineries shut down for scheduled maintenence which is pushing up the current price.

ucla695 08-14-2009 09:35 PM

Re: crude oil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 510114)
Not that I disagree with your general premise... but the price of crude has been going up for a couple of months now.

Yes, it has bounced from the trough and now has been teetering around $70 (flirting north and south of that). It's highly elastic on the uptick, but less so when it drops. Tends to go in the same direction as the market. Luckily, I think the super cycle has been dampened.....well, at least for now.

forgop 08-15-2009 10:07 AM

Re: crude oil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by loki (Post 510063)
*face palm* there are any number of things you can blame the boy king for but this isn't one of them. if you remember oil hit an all time high under bush I'm all for hating obama but ya gota pick your battles.

Didn't stop the crybaby left from uttering the same nonsense when GWB was in office, despite the fact of having absolutely NOTHING to back it up.

The Poet 08-15-2009 10:12 AM

Re: crude oil
 
And it begins. An economic question - which is allowed - turns into a political p!$$ing contest, which is not. I'm gonna go hide now. :rolleyes:

wrench turner 85 08-15-2009 10:21 AM

Re: crude oil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jledou (Post 509802)
It is supposed to be based on a straight supply and demand plus operating/production cost. Right now demand is down, supply is OK and refining capacity is at ~ 70-80% so right now I would set most of the price to speculation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve (Post 509860)
Somebody's betting on a couple of storms...

:td:td:td

:tpd: :tf

shilala 08-15-2009 10:29 AM

Re: crude oil
 
All I know is that when crude goes up, my pensions go to hell.
Right now I'm making money like George Bush.
So long as we don't dick with Iraq, I'm gonna be rich. :r

floydp 08-15-2009 09:07 PM

Re: crude oil
 
Ok fellers you know political rhetoric is a no no at the nut house? Lets keep the political bs out of this discussion or this thread will insight passions that do not belong on a cigar forum. At least not this one.

heavyd 08-15-2009 09:34 PM

Re: crude oil
 
The way I understand it... the price of gasoline is less dependent on the the price of oil than it is dependent on the the amount of oil that is refined into gasoline. If Exxon Mobil wants to raise the price of gas, they simple reduce the supply (refine less oil into gasoline).

I used to ponder big questions like this, but now that I've given up hope, I'm much more mellow about it all :)

Waynegro1 08-16-2009 12:07 AM

Re: crude oil
 
Can you say, OIL SPECULATORS?? Just my :2
Now, back to :ss

Cigary 08-16-2009 02:37 AM

Re: crude oil
 
Obviously it's a Communist plot. I ride a motorycle so I can save on gas,,,if it gets more expensive I'll get a Moped.

borndead1 08-16-2009 03:41 AM

Re: crude oil
 
They are raising gas prices because they can.

forgop 08-16-2009 06:46 AM

Re: crude oil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by floydp (Post 510709)
Ok fellers you know political rhetoric is a no no at the nut house? Lets keep the political bs out of this discussion or this thread will insight passions that do not belong on a cigar forum. At least not this one.

I'm not trying to turn this into a pi$$ing match at I'm not fan of GWB by any means. Just illustrating the point that what is good for one is good for another.


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