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357 07-10-2012 11:01 AM

Tragic shooting death involving off duty Detroit Police officer
 
I have the utmost respect for LEOs, firefighters, and other public service workers. I have read a couple articles on this tragedy. Here is one: http://www.freep.com/article/2012071...-daughter-die-

And another: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-accident?lite

What is clear is a 24 year old woman is dead from a gunshot wound to the chest. The rest I can't piece together. It just doesn't add up. Now I'm not blaming the officer or the victim. I'm just trying to work it out in my head as to how this could happen. Below are some of the logistics.

The weapon was a S&W M&P 40. It only has a safety within the trigger, similar to that used on Glock pistols. While I am not a fan of this safety design, I can't figure out how this weapon went off. To pull a trigger unintentionally through a neoprene holster would be difficult/improbable. Plus, how did the angle of the barrel allow for her to be shot in the chest? It just seems something isn't right with this story.

elderboy02 07-10-2012 11:04 AM

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I don't see how she was shot in the chest if it was holstered. First of all, the holster covers the trigger. So, lets just say she got her hand in the holster, pulled the trigger, but then how does it shoot upward at her chest if the gun is pointing down.

I wonder if she committed suicide and he is covering for her or something like that?

mosesbotbol 07-10-2012 11:06 AM

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I agree. There's some missing details to this story. I wonder if she was on her knees and not hugging him as they contend.

357 07-10-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 1676816)
I agree. There's some missing details to this story. I wonder if she was on her knees and not hugging him as they contend.

It's possibly but her family contends she didn't even know him prior to this. I'm sure the angle of the wounds would be very helpful in determining both of their positions when the weapon discharged.

Edited: Just found an article saying just what you thought.

http://www.freep.com/article/2012071...xt%7CFRONTPAGE

Quote:

Adaisha Miller was on her knees while dancing behind an off-duty Detroit police officer early Sunday when his holstered gun fired, striking her in the chest, a police official familiar with the investigation told the Free Press today.

The official said that explains how Miller was shot in the chest while dancing behind Officer Isaac Parrish during a fish fry early Sunday at his home on Archdale. The official said the angle of the gunshot is possible because Miller was not standing.

The official described it as some type of "exotic dance" where Miller, 24, was tugging at Parrish’s waist.

Miller’s family members strongly disputed that account today.

357 07-10-2012 11:21 AM

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But still, when holstered a gun points down. Which means the trigger must be pulled in an upward direction. So they're saying she pushed upward against this neoprene holster hard enough (6.5-10 lbs of force) and specifically within the trigger guard so as to completely depress the trigger?

Remo 07-10-2012 11:24 AM

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I was thinking about this yesterday, was wondering how an IWB or hip holster could hit her in the chest,,,then I thought, maybe it was a shoulder holster, pointing backward and when she hugged him from behind somehow it went off?

357 07-10-2012 11:35 AM

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Just to be extra clear, I know two members of CA that are active DPD. They are both good guys. It's probable that they know Officer Parrish. I am not suggesting that he did anything wrong. I am just questing the reported account of events.

emopunker2004 07-10-2012 11:37 AM

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We were talking about this the other night at work. Somebody is telling a lie. No way a gun in a holster is going to shoot up like that. Something is fishy.

Remo 07-10-2012 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1676841)
Just to be extra clear, I know two members of CA that are active DPD. They are both good guys. It's probable that they know Officer Parrish. I am not suggesting that he did anything wrong. I am just questing the reported account of events.

Yup, whatever the media says is about 20% accurate, yes a gun was fired and unfortunately someone was killed, I will wait for some official account.

Blueface 07-10-2012 01:30 PM

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This is a perfect example of his side, the other side, and somewhere in between lies the truth.
Can't phantom how this could have happened as described.
If true, my concealed in my back pocket should have put quite a few holes in me or somebody by now.

ApexAZ 07-10-2012 01:57 PM

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Moral of the story: Don't carry cocked with a round in the chamber. Use a revolver for safer self defense.

shilala 07-10-2012 02:00 PM

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I looked at all this and can see it happen. There are probably details that are being witheld to protect the victim, that'd be my best guess.
It boils down to a tragic accident. Most accidents don't happen as a result of one odd thing taking place, it's usually a string of human errors that lead to catastrophe.
I just hope Adaisha's parents can find the explanation they're looking for. Odds are they won't accept the truth, it'll be stranger than fiction.
All details aside, everyone involved could use our prayers.

HollywoodQue 07-10-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ApexAZ (Post 1676920)
Moral of the story: Don't carry cocked with a round in the chamber. Use a revolver for safer self defense.

That's not how we were trained in the Police Academy Brian because if you are ever in a gun fight for your life or the life of someone else, each second that it takes you to load your weapon can be fatal.

This was a very tragic accident. Scott, I also can see how this can happen. I will try to download a demo shortly. I do not know the officer or victim in this situation, nor am I trying to justify what happened.

I to am waiting on the official report, but looking at the possibility of it all, I believe it is possible.

icehog3 07-10-2012 02:27 PM

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Like Remo Mike, I will refrain from commenting until the facts come to light. Everything else right now is speculation and conjecture.

HollywoodQue 07-10-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1676954)
Like Remo Mike, I will refrain from commenting until the facts come to light. Everything else right now is speculation and conjecture.

Agreed Tom. I just wanted to test what was said to have happened to see if it was even possible. From what I just tried at home with NO scientific proof, it seems possible, NOT that is happened this way at all.

icehog3 07-10-2012 02:37 PM

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Understood, Howard, I hope it all comes out (well) in the wash.

Bill86 07-10-2012 02:45 PM

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I have shot one of those, in fact I have one. You can't accidentally pull THAT trigger. Especially in a holster, it's probably a 10 pound D/A trigger. I'm sure it's possible.....but damn, not easy.

That said, accidentally discharges happen to A LOT of people sooner or later. MANY people won't admit it but they have shot a round in something sooner or later. Even if it's just at the range and they shoot the floor or ground. Gun jams and they accidentally pull the trigger while racking it......etc etc.

It hasn't happened to me but I do know people who have had it happen.

ApexAZ 07-10-2012 02:47 PM

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This is just assuming what they are saying is really what happened. If so, where is the need to conceal a loaded and cocked weapon in your own back yard? I realize this is detroit, but it's not like this guy was on duty in a public area; it was his own home with friends he invited himself.

Anyways, that's why I prefer double action revolvers. You don't sacrifice speed, but it takes a lot more to discharge them accidentally.

Either way, the story definitely doesn't seem add up. Seems fishy.

icehog3 07-10-2012 02:53 PM

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I guess you've never lived in Detroit, Brian. ;)

Remo 07-10-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1676988)
I guess you've never lived in Detroit, Brian. ;)

I would have two guns on me even while in the house if lived in the D.


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