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Questions about wine? Enjoy a bottle recently? Looking for something expensive/cheap for dinner tonight? Discuss here.
Maybe we could start a wine club? Like a book club- someone picks a region for the week and we all compare tasting notes. |
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A few of the wine blogs I read daily:
http://www.vinography.com/ http://www.drvino.com/ http://thepour.blogs.nytimes.com/ http://750ml.blogspot.com/ http://www.ft.com/arts/columnists/robinson - weekends http://online.wsj.com/article/tastings.html - fridays |
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more blogs (format is hard to read but easy to import)...
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Anyone else here use cellartracker? Ive been paying attention to it a lot more and was wondering about membership perks.
Also- great article last weekend about How to Taste. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/005c4c2a-a...077b07658.html (sign-up its free) One of the things they stressed at the class I took recently is the fact you can only taste 5 things, but smell over 10,000. |
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I like wine but don;t really know jack about it... what should I read first?
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I have been using Cellar Tracker for a couple of years. Being online, it's accessible from just about anywhere. It really does help to keep track of what you have and where it's stored in your cellar. You can print out different reports depending on your needs. :D
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I prefer to look at my collection rose colored glasses. :cool2: Case counts sound larger than bottle counts. :dance: As much as I love wine, most are not good pairings with cigars. |
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I hope to try and get to Temecula again when I get back stateside and on leave. Lots of great wines to be had out there. I had a great time last time in San Diego when I was on leave before coming here. My wife is a wine lover big time. I found a great place in SD called Winesteals if your ever out there. It is a little winebar. It even has some outdoor seating. I though everything was well priced and the staff was very helpful.
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case counts? You obviously dont live in a tiny apt.:D I have a 18 bottle fridge with 25 bottles in it right now- i have to put a pillow down when i open it because I cant catch the overflow that falls out. Ive been looking into off site storage but I only have a few bottles that would make it worth it. |
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say what you want about winelibrary.tv- but this is a cant miss:
http://tv.winelibrary.com/2008/10/30...n-episode-568/ Jancis F'ing Robinson. Great talk about sherry towards the end- very interesting. |
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Great info here. Thanks! :tu
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I've been into California wines since I live here. I have developed my taste over the years by going on tasting tours to local regions and tasting bars. I tend to like wines that some connoisseurs turn their noses up at because I like flavorful fruity strong alcohol wines like Paso Robles Zins and Pitit Sirahs and our Cab Sauvs from around here. They call them "jammy" or "porty" like that's a bad thing.
In my travels I have tasted great Bordeauxs, Spanish, German, Italian and Portuguese wines but I cant seem to find those wines locally as good as the ones I've had abroad. Why is that? I am now wary of wines I haven't tasted or if I don't feel good about the vintage. Also, I've noticed that sometimes a bottle doesn't taste as good when opened later then as it did when it was tasted. On the other hand I just had a bottle of 2000 David Bruce Russian River Pinot Noir from the Windsor Garden vineyard that was soooo much better than I remembered it when I tasted it. Some wines go through a "dead period" when they taste bad like some flavor is overpowering it. I leave other bottles of it alone for a few more years and usually they come back around better. 100 bottles of wine in a cellar at an average of say $22 a bottle is $2200. 200 = $4400. Throw in those special $50+ bottles here and there plus a few bottles of Port and Madiera and it can get worse than a cigar habit quickly. |
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www.vinfolio.com is a nice site for hard to find or very good vintages. I've seen Chateau Yquems from the early 1900's (Not Rodenstock ones so don't worry) and rare lafittes there. I went recently and the site was down. Anyone know anything about this?
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malbec- i usually stick to Mendoza region in Argentina. Ask your wine shop if they have any wines from Cahors, France. The same grape, but made in an 'old-world" style. try some Bordeaux- for under $15 you can still get some pretty good wines. |
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Can you guys recommend any Argentine brands?
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Punto Final Malbec Reserva 2005- had this about a month ago- thought it was pretty good- a little heavy on the oak- but at about 12 dollars- totally worth it. Michel Rolland is involved in Val de Flores and Clos de los Siete. I havent had from either vineyard- I'm going to track down a bottle of 06 Clos this week- I'll post tasting notes. |
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I don't know much, but my girlfriend has gotten me into a lot of the whites, Riesling, Vino Verde (good cheap bottle from Trader Joes). I'm a fan of Ice wines as well from Canada, and some excellent Muscato's out there as well. it's like drinking juice.
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Layer Cake '07- not bad for about 17 a bottle- black fruit , chocolate- good with a steak. Urban Uco- puts out a decent product for under 12 a bottle. Heavy oak- but pretty decent fruit- not as good as the two above. |
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Finally...I can start learning about wines...:tu
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For entry level stuff, i love Zolo, which should be around $10-$12 depending on where you are located. Great Malbec, Bonarda, Cab, Merlot and Torrontes. For a Step up check out Melipal Malbec. (around $20) Hector durigutti makes this one and he is basicaly the Rock Star of Argentinian wine making.. The wines are very rich w/ black fruit and sweet oak. Made for the American palate, and loved by a lot of the reviewers. Very impressive for the $$. ~Vitis |
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I've had Close de los Siete a couple of times. If you are a fan of new world wines, you may like this. To me, it has too much alcohol and seems too "worked" to my likes. Many critics and consumers are fans, so I say go for it. At 14.5% and some decent concentration, the wine has good aging potential. I am hardly an expert or regular consumer of S. American wines, so I can't offer you much advice. |
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You'll probably love Sauternes, which is a late harvest white Bordeaux like an Ice Wine. Chateau d'Arche is a good one for under $25 for 375 ml. |
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Thanks for the tips!
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I drank a few glasses of this last night, it was pretty good...
http://wineenabler.com/just-wines/ma...06-roogle-red/ http://www.winecanine.com/blogart/roogle-red.jpg |
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I'm on a late fall white wine kick lately so I'm pushing back the Clos de los Siete.
I'm really into Vouvray right now- Vouvray is always 100% Chenin Blanc. Producer: Domaine de Vaufuget Vintage: 2007 Region: Taurine ,Loire, France Price: $11 Sight: Clear, bright straw color Nose: Apple, pear, lime, charcoal, white flowers Palate: Apple, citrus, lots of chalk, slight almond sweetness,touch of copper on the finish (in a good way) Very simple wine with great fruit flavors and enough acid to cut through the Mexican food I had it with. Touch of sweetness, even a little salty too. |
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I am about 1/2 way through a bottle of this Cab Sav, pretty decent stuff... From a local vineyard in NOVA, Tarara...
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...8_2024_2902962 |
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I love good wine but generally can't afford to drink it on a regular basis so I stick to the mid level stuff mostly. Anything from the Monterey Valley area is a fave of mine and recently I've been into Norther Rhone's but they can sometimes get pricey.
I have been lucky enough to enjoy some truly fantastic wines thanks to some of our bro's here.... so thanks guys. Last bottle I had was mid-level 2003 Coppola Diamond Claret. Great rich wine with deep color and aroma. Good stuff |
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Not that I'm a huge wine expert but the subject certainly does interest me and I could talk about it for a long time but I'll try and keep this relatively short: Vouvray is a very nice and little known fairly dry white. My ex-wife/fiance (don't ask, LMAO!) Kathleen, is the Tasting Room Manager at Hopkins Vineyard in western Connecticut. She know a lot about wine (from drinking A LOT of it, LOL!) and likes Vouvray (as you said, made from Chenin Blanc grapes) and she also likes Pinot Grigio. We both like drier wines. Hopkins Vineyard is the largest of the 30 or so vineyards in Connecticut and by largest, I say by the number of acres of grapes they grow (~35 acres). Sharpe Hill in Pomfret, CT claims they are the "largest" based on total number of cases sold per year because they import quite a few of their grapes and juices. Almost all of Hopkins' wines are "estate grown" meaning they grow the grapes there in Warren, CT on their property. Kathleen played a big part in designing a new European-style Rose (drier than what most people think of when you talk about Rose), it's called "Lady Rose" but you can't find it on their website because it's new this year. Since it was an experiment, they only made 130 cases and it sold out in ten weeks. They hope to make quite a bit more for next year so be sure to watch for it on their site. I'll post back here when it's available. Cabernet Sauvignon grapes are damn near impossible to grow in Connecticut so a few of the vineyards here grow Cabernet Franc grapes which is sometimes called the "grandfather" of the Cabernet Sauvignon grape. Cab Francs tend to be drier than most Cabernet Sauvignons and are not quite as full bodied as your average Cabernet Sauvignon. Hopkins' Cab Franc is IMO the BEST one you'll find from CT vineyards. The 2005 was fantastic but it just sold out last weekend (I got one of the last cases!). And yes, it noticeably varies from year to year. The 2002 was a great one and the 2003 was "not good" when it first came out but as the year went on, it seemed to markedly improve in the bottle. 2004 was a bad growing year here in CT so what little Cab Franc grapes they grew all went into the Red Barn Red blend so there was no Cabernet Franc from Hopkins in 2004. Hopkins also makes two very good sparkling wines, Gold Label and Silver Label and I love them both. I'm also a huge Bordeaux fan along with Cabernet Sauvignon. Bordeauxs are blends with mostly Cabernet Sauvignon grapes, along with a little Merlot and sometimes a little Cabernet Franc thrown in along with Petit Verdot. I've never had a first growth label Bordeaux (since most are high three figures per bottle) but I've had a second growth one and it was wonderful (Chateau Lascombes Margaux 2003). Check out the "Bordeaux Wine Official Classification of 1855" to see what I'm talking about. I'm still trying to figure out the difference between a "grape" (Cabernet Franc) and a "region" (ie "Bordeaux"). One of these days, I hope to "get it", LOL! The world of wine is very similar to cigars, drink what you like and like what you drink. Fancy, expensive wines are nice but there are some great wines out there for $10.00 to $15.00 a bottle. By the way, GREAT THREAD!:D |
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For any of you guys in the Sonoma/Napa region in California, you live in what many consider the best area in the WORLD for wine!
I'd love to make a trip out there some day! I'd also really enjoy a trip to France at some point in my life. I'd definitely make the Bordeaux region my #1 priority. |
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Good Napa Chardonnay for under $15- not happening-instead try some Albarino or Vinho Verde or some Sav blanc from NZ (although this is becoming harder to find at this price point). Because of marketing budgets, taxes, inflation-good wine from CA at this price are very hard to find. |
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So, I bought a bottle of '06 Clos de los Siete last night.
Sight: Medium Clear/medium purple/ stained tears Nose: Black Cherry, sweet plum / chocolate, burnt caramel Palate: Black Cherry, blueberry / chocolate, green forest (fern), lots of wood coming through This wine is a powerhouse at 15% alcohol, lots of tannin. My mouth was purple and my tongue was beat up after 2 glasses. I don't think this wine is ready yet- after 45 min decanting, it was still extremely tight- a struggle to get aroma and tastes out of the wine. I would suggest buying 2 bottles, opening one in 6-8 months then again this time in '09. |
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I was sippin' on the Pinot Noir last night and enjoyed it quite a bit... I was gifted this bottle last x-mas and just decided to open it... It's probably cheap swill...
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It seems to be the way of new world wines, raise the alcohol in fermentation to mask the lack of concentration or whatever else they are masking... |
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The problem with some CA Chard's is they can be too oaky. It's fine balance to add depth, but not make it too toasty/buttery. Chard's from France can be had around $15; don't laugh, but I have bought several Chablis at that price point... Last year, I found some Mersault's under $20 too! A local B&M was dumping William Fevre White Burgundy like it was a fire sale. Took advantage of that one! |
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I enjoyed some 2002 Pepper Bridge Cabernet Sauvignon the other night. It's difficult to find under $50. Anyone had it before? If you have can you recommend something as an alternative?
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That fits the bill of a ton of CA Cab's. I am not too up on CA wines, but try Ridge or Diamond Creek (a little expensive but worth it). Something a little more affordable, Beringer's Knights Valley is tempting at under $30.00. |
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Others somewhat similar and a little less expensive than pepper Bridge are Basel Cab Pheasant Run Vineyard, Hightower Pepperbridge vineyard, Fidelitas Walla Walla cab and Dusted Valley Walla Walla cab. There are a ton more but those come to mind quickly. ~Vitis |
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My neighbor really enjoys red wine. I think she will drink just about any wine, so she isn't very picky and will drink cheaper bottles... but I was wondering what a nice mid-range bottle would be to get for Christmas?
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