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shilala 07-30-2013 12:39 PM

Fourth Annual Fantasy Football for Stakes and the Troops
 
In our first year we raised 385 sticks for the troops, the second year we raised 499 sticks for the troops. Last year somewhere between 350 and 400, I forget how many.

I've created a Yahoo League the same as last year. The sign-on info is the same, I simply restarted the league.
There will be only ten players.
Buy in will be six premiums ($60.00 minimum value, NC and/or CC) and a sixer (minimum) for the troops, due prior to the first week's kickoff. You all know the drill on sending betting smokes along with your buy-in to save money. Feel free to handle that however you like.

Payout will be 30 smokes to first place, 20 for second place, and 10 sticks for third place.
I can take care of receiving/sending smokes, or anyone else can do it. I've done it a few times before without a hitch and I have lots of extra storage tubs.

As always, I will personally put together a nice fiver for the winner of the playoff loser's bracket as an incentive to keep everyone involved to the end. If anyone wants to offer any other bonus prizes, that would kick ass. Maybe something such as "fiver for highest score for week six" or something like that.
Or "beat me this week, and I'll send a fiver to the troops". We had tons of that going on last year and it made it super fun for everyone.
The key is generosity, banter, and fun. The more prizes, the more fun it'll be. The more smokes we can gather for the troops, the more fun it will be.

If you cannot stay available for the entire season, please, please don't sign up, or find a brother or sister to step into your spot. Disappearing will just hurt what we're trying to do for the troops, and your team will immediately be assigned a new manager.

Live Draft is not yet set, we will hold off until the last moment to allow for injuries and cuts and so on.

Only ten guys will be playing, I've sent invites to last year's players.
1. Shilala
2. Coach
3. Cole
4. Stephen
5. mkarnold1
6. Mattso3000
7. Jarrod
8. Sofaman
9. Jeremy
10. BeerAdvocate

If someone drops out, we'll look for another player. Hopefully we'll get 100% of our guys back, especially with the pass involved.

Mattso3000 07-30-2013 12:49 PM

Re: Fourth Annual Fantasy Football for Stakes and the Troops
 
Can I make it 3 in a row?

Scott, I think I still owe troop smokes from last year but not sure how many. I'll get a few bundles on the way soon.

shilala 07-30-2013 12:52 PM

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Okay, the first couple big announcements for this season...
The most important is that Cole will be Official Co-Commissioner with me. He's going to take care of tracking all the stuff you dicks never report to him. :D

Secondly, scoring will now be changed to Standard League Scoring.
I've made all the changes already, please look them over. I'd like to make a few bonus categories, but I'll worry about that later.
Here is where I got the Standard League Scoring Info.

Cole and I are working on a League Manual. It will include all our rules and stuff. Not just pertaining to the league, cause we don't really have any rules, but pertaining to the pass.
It'll help us all understand each other, what's expected, and will help from anyone getting upset over others not taking care of stuff in a timely manner.
I've considered creating penalties for not doing things we've promised to do, like sending the pass along in a timely fashion or getting our entry cigars in, or whatever.
I think that idea sucks.
Instead, I think it's best to agree that all participants exchange cell numbers. That way everyone can gang up and torment whoever isn't pulling their weight. Or we can all help him out. I think it's important that we be patient with each other and realize that life life's everyone. So no penalties.

I've also considered changing this to a Rotisserie League. Stephen has been up my ass about that from day one. I don't have a problem with it if you guys want it. I just think the head-to-head format suits what we do with our betting and all, and I don't know how rotisserie works other than what Stephen has explained.
So that's a pending development.

There's plenty of time to get your wishes heard before the season starts, so let's get to it. :tu

shilala 07-30-2013 12:54 PM

Re: Fourth Annual Fantasy Football for Stakes and the Troops
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattso3000 (Post 1867446)
Can I make it 3 in a row?

Scott, I think I still owe troop smokes from last year but not sure how many. I'll get a few bundles on the way soon.

Got ya, Champ. Cole would probably know if anyone owes from last year. If we get sticks from last year, we'll just roll them into this year's totals. :tu

Mattso3000 07-30-2013 12:59 PM

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Never been in a rotisserie football league. Seems like it would be harder on bets, trash talk, etc... I'll put my vote in to stay h2h.

chaase321 07-30-2013 01:31 PM

Re: Fourth Annual Fantasy Football for Stakes and the Troops
 
I like head 2 head as well...Rotisserie would be okay to bet in because we would be betting more like "if I score more rushing yards than you this week" etc...but I'm not sure if it would "pull in" more bets.

Welcome to everyone that has participated in the past, and if anyone is dropping off this year please let us know so we can get a new guy (or gal) in here to play.

Matt...good luck with the 3-peat, not gonna happen!
I'll check on if anyone needs to pay anything from last year and we can roll it forward.

As Scott mentioned, the pass is a pretty big deal, and you guys are a great bunch of guys...we wouldn't trust these good of sticks, or this much $$ involved with sticks, so please consider the timeliness and what not when not only signing up for the league, but especially the pass. (Note: you don't have to participate in the pass).

And lastly, remember this is for the troops, so the more we bet, the more they get! :D

Thanks everyone...updates soon!!!

shilala 07-30-2013 01:50 PM

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Cole, I think I'll send the pass to you first so you can catalog the sticks. We can work an order out after that, or dig up our order from last year. I think it worked good, plus it moved really fast.

chaase321 07-30-2013 02:27 PM

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Works good for me Scott.

Let's get these rules set (and pass rules) so we can make sure everyone really wants to be a part this year.

It was an awesome league last year and I look forward to it again!

mkarnold1 07-30-2013 04:34 PM

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Looking forward to another great FF season guys. I'm happy to hear of the change to standard scoring this year.

shilala 07-30-2013 05:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mkarnold1 (Post 1867548)
Looking forward to another great FF season guys. I'm happy to hear of the change to standard scoring this year.

I think everyone will, Mark. The league has morphed into some serious FF players, so it makes sense to go from "wild fun scoring" to standard scoring.

I just emailed a copy of rules and regs from another FF league to Cole so we can cheat off them as we write up our own.
I'm hoping it doesn't take us long, but I'm not promising anything. It's a lousy job. :)

JenksAnejo 07-30-2013 08:31 PM

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In :tu

sofaman 07-31-2013 04:23 AM

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In :tu

shilala 07-31-2013 10:13 AM

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A warning, Gentlemen. Matt cheats.
That is all.

chaase321 07-31-2013 10:34 AM

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We already all know that Scott! :r

It looks like my last post was Jan 9, 2013, and at that time:

Matt owed 25 troop sticks
Coach owed 20 troop sticks

Not sure if either of these got taken care of or not, but just so you all know from my records.

Now that I am assistant Commish, I will keep a better running of everything from the beginning. Meaning: Entry fees, Troops Sticks, Bets, and the Pass.

I'll keep all the records, Scott will keep all the sticks (he has more room :D )

Scott, I'm going to take a look through the old thread, and a look at what you sent for Weeze's league, and shoot you an email...then when you and I agree, we can throw up all the changes for the league to vote on. I am pretty sure any and all changes we want to make can be done in Yahoo! and we won't have to type anything extra up for the league...but I can also probably make a PDF of all the rules and post it here so folks don't have to go searching for it on Yahoo!.

We will still have to put together rules for the pass (and by rules I mean, rights, privileges, and punishments) and directions for everyone. That should be fairly easy because we had a pretty decent process last year.

This weekend is my big move into the new house, so I will be out of commission until later next week. Granted I'll probably stop by and add input, but having time to really look at the rules will be difficult until the second week of August...no worries though gents, we will have everything in order in plenty of time before the draft and start of the season!

Mattso3000 07-31-2013 10:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1867876)
A warning, Gentlemen. Matt cheats.
That is all.

:D

25 sticks sounds right to me, Cole.

shilala 07-31-2013 11:20 AM

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Cole, I asked Matt to look at the scoring and see if it suits.

I also harvested last year's thread for the pass rules and stuff.
Weeze's rulebook is mostly worthless to us past layout. All the league play rules are at Yahoo. We just need rules surrounding signup dates and so forth. And the pass. I have that, but I haven't tweaked it out yet.
My harvesting of info really just amounts to notes and copy/pastes, so give me a little time before you waste your time. I'll pass what I have to you and you can expand on it, and so on. K?

I'm working on getting sofaman signed up, too. That should be done by this evening, I think. He had some Yahoo trouble.
Coach pm'd and he said he's in. He'll sign up later this week.
I texted Stephen, he hasn't texted back. I think he has to get permission to play, he's pvssy-whipped.
Jarrod posted and said he's in but hasn't signed on.
Travis? (Beer Advocate) pm'd me a good while back and wants to play. We should hear from him, I hope.
So that just leaves Stephen and Jeremy unaccounted for, is that right?

Everyone has been emailed and pm'd the link to this thread.

Mattso3000 07-31-2013 11:56 AM

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Rules look good to me, Scott. I think this went from my highest scoring league to the lowest. :r

shilala 07-31-2013 11:57 AM

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I know, right? Things are really gonna change, for sure.

shilala 07-31-2013 12:43 PM

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Here's a discussion point that I don't really wanna discuss, but you guys should get a chance to throw input at it.

Team Size.
I'm thinking this...
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, D.
Or this...
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K.
Quite frankly, I like 7 guys best. If the TE could be TE/QB/WR/RB that would suit me because there's really only Jimmy Graham and Tony G and a big question mark at Gronk. I guess Pitta got hurt the other day, if he matters. But the TE world is thin, thin, thin.

So 7 guys playing, 5 on the bench (backup QB, 2WR, 2RB I'm thinking) and 2 IR positions is my vote. Lots of Free Agents, no waivers, no waiver order, straight up anarchy.

Last year we fielded 9, had 5 on the bench and 2 IR's.
This year I'd like to field 7, 5 on the bench and 2IR. (Or 3 on the bench and 2 IR. That'd be my dream team but I didn't want you guys to have a stroke over a 10 man team.)
So that'd be 12 guys a team, 120 total, and a really sick field of FA's to work with week to week. I'm also considering how ridiculous the injuries are anymore. The FA field shrinks and shrinks every year because players won't play hurt. That just leaves young, hungry guys to go on and if you keep your ears on you can find some real gems.

Those are my thoughts and what I plan to do unless you guys talk me out of it.
Feel free to b1tch and complain heartily. :tu

chaase321 07-31-2013 12:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1867936)
Here's a discussion point that I don't really wanna discuss, but you guys should get a chance to throw input at it.

Team Size.
I'm thinking this...
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, D.I like this option best, I like Defenses being in the mix
Or this...
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K.
Quite frankly, I like 7 guys best. If the TE could be TE/QB/WR/RBI would make this an TE/WR/RB and not allow a QB to be played here...there are only a few awesome QBs, and with them being able to score so much (I know we cut back, but...) it doesn't make sense to allow two of those...plus this gives more of a "real" flex play here. that would suit me because there's really only Jimmy Graham and Tony G and a big question mark at Gronk. I guess Pitta got hurt the other day, if he matters. But the TE world is thin, thin, thin.

So 7 guys playing, 5 on the bench (backup QB, 2WR, 2RB I'm thinking) and 2 IR positions is my vote. Lots of Free Agents, no waivers, no waiver order, straight up anarchy.I hate this idea...not everyone has a chance to be on waivers right as soon as they are available to be picked up....I hated this last year as well. I think you should have a waiver order, and once you pick you move to the bottom of the list...that way if you are 1st and get the first waiver pick up, you then have to wait for everyone else to have the "chance" to at least pick someone before you get your next choice. Also, I vote that waivers have 2 days of processing...that's plenty of time before games start to pick someone up and know your team.

Last year we fielded 9, had 5 on the bench and 2 IR's.
This year I'd like to field 7, 5 on the bench and 2IR. (Or 3 on the bench and 2 IR. That'd be my dream team but I didn't want you guys to have a stroke over a 10 man team.)
So that'd be 12 guys a team, 120 total, and a really sick field of FA's to work with week to week. I'm also considering how ridiculous the injuries are anymore. The FA field shrinks and shrinks every year because players won't play hurt. That just leaves young, hungry guys to go on and if you keep your ears on you can find some real gems.

Those are my thoughts and what I plan to do unless you guys talk me out of it.
Feel free to b1tch and complain heartily. :tu

See above

shilala 07-31-2013 01:08 PM

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I don't think TE/WR/RB is an option. Neither is the option I suggested. Oh yeah, it is. I'd agree to that in order to leave waivers as is.
I freakin HATE waivers and waiver priority order, Cole. I understand that lots of guys can't be right on it when it comes to grabbing players because of other obligations. It bites everyone in the ass equally. But I have always felt that the guy who works the hardest should win this game, not the guy who waits 2 days to check his team. I'm thinking of my BIL when I mention this.
My BIL seldom even sets his team in the money league after I draft a monster for him, and he still wins. He doesn't even replace guys who are hurt, and he still wins. That pisses me off.
If a guy pounds the airwaves, internet, and his cell phone for constant FF content, it should give him an edge. Waivers and waiver priority erases that edge and it sucks. Even if it bites me in the ass cause I'm at Family Day every Sunday, I'd rather see Matt snipe a backup RB than someone else get him who didn't even set their team for the week. That'd make me nuts.

That said, if you guys want waivers and waiver priority, you got it. We just need 5 guys to want it and I'll change it., cause it really is a "standard setting". Or you and I can toss a coin. Or whatever you think is fair.
Dammit, I hate waivers. :D

chaase321 07-31-2013 01:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1867955)
I don't think TE/WR/RB is an option. Neither is the option I suggested. Oh yeah, it is. I'd agree to that in order to leave waivers as is."Oh yeah, it is" refers to what? the TE/WR/RB, or the TE/WR/RB/QB?
I freakin HATE waivers and waiver priority order, Cole. I understand that lots of guys can't be right on it when it comes to grabbing players because of other obligations. It bites everyone in the ass equally. But I have always felt that the guy who works the hardest should win this game, not the guy who waits 2 days to check his team. I'm thinking of my BIL when I mention this.
My BIL seldom even sets his team in the money league after I draft a monster for him, and he still wins. He doesn't even replace guys who are hurt, and he still wins. That pisses me off.
If a guy pounds the airwaves, internet, and his cell phone for constant FF content, it should give him an edge. Waivers and waiver priority erases that edge and it sucks. Even if it bites me in the ass cause I'm at Family Day every Sunday, I'd rather see Matt snipe a backup RB than someone else get him who didn't even set their team for the week. That'd make me nuts.

That said, if you guys want waivers and waiver priority, you got it. We just need 5 guys to want it and I'll change it., cause it really is a "standard setting". Or you and I can toss a coin. Or whatever you think is fair.
Dammit, I hate waivers. :D

I understand your frustration with the waiver priority....here is another method that I am using in my other league that I run with work colleges...

Basically this is how it works:

In a Free Agents Acquisition Budgets (FAAB) waivers system, each manager receives a dollar amount (say $100) to place blind bids on players that are on waivers. The manager with the highest bid at the end of the waiver period claims that player and that bid amount is deducted from the team's acquisition budget.

FAAB Rules

The FAAB does not apply to free-agent pickups. All free agents can be picked up on a first-come, first-serve basis, without bids. In other words, if no one bids on a player, you can pick him up for free after the bidding is resolved. Bids are hidden to other managers until a player clears waivers. The winning bid will display in the Transaction log. Players with multiple bids placed on them will display under "FAAB Bids" on a league's Transactions log.
The FAAB system charges you the exact amount you bid if your bid is successful. It will never automatically adjust your bid to beat any other bids by $1.
The default FAAB budget for teams is usually $100.
You can submit $0 bids, and if no one else bids more, you will be able to claim that player.
There isn't an option to force managers to make a minimum bid amount.

FAAB tiebreakers

If multiple managers place an equal bid on a player, there are three tiebreaker options:

Continual rolling list: Waiver claims are processed in waiver priority order and each successful claim moves a manager to the end of the waiver priority list.
Reverse order of standings (Football only): Waiver claims are processed in reverse order of standings and successful claims do not affect waiver priority list.
Weekly rolling list based on standings (Football only): Waiver claims are processed in reverse order of standings and each successful claim moves a manager to the end of the waiver priority list.
Note: The priority list only changes when it is used to break a tie between two owners who submit identical bids. If a team submits the highest bid and the tiebreaker is not needed to award the player, the priority list remains unchanged following that claim.

what do you think? it gives everyone a shot...but also, if you think this guy is going to be a big impact (say a back-up RB for a guy that just broke his leg) and not everyone knows about him yet, or you have done more homework, then you can place your "silent" bid at what you think he is worth.

We can set the waiver priority to 1 day instead of 2 days...and then also, after that period is up, all other players left out there are Free Agents, and anyone can pick them up without having to make a silent bid.

shilala 07-31-2013 03:42 PM

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That's a cool setup, but it's also too much to manage.
Maybe we're talking about 2 different things. I'm really talking about picking up free agents and the pain waivers brings to it.
Take your example about the backup RB, I can just immediately grab him.
If the player I drop would go on waivers, and be subject to waiver priority, that's cool with me.

Problem is, and correct me if I'm wrong, Yahoo places every free agent on waivers when you pick him up. Then everyone and their brother can hop on that same player, all plying on the initial guy's FF smarts and him getting squat for his effort.
Plus it's highly likely it's HIS RB that got his leg broke, and he's trying to stay alive by immediately tying up that team's backup RB. To do that he'd have to drop a good bench player to make space since his broken legged guy already played, and that's the cost of doing business, or the insult added to injury, if you will.

So my contention is this:
If Free Agents were not subject to Waivers in any fashion, I'd be cool with waivers and waiver priority. I'm okay with dropped players being placed on waivers, because they are inherently valuable unless they're injured and out for the season, or something like that.

There is a way to kind of implement the "bidding" process, and that would be to simply limit how many moves a team can make. We can set waiver moves to 10 or 20 per season, or whatever seems reasonable. I don't think that's necessary either, but if I shorten the number of players on teams, there are likely to be a lot more waiver moves. But I like that. It's playing the game, and a very fun part of FF strategy.

I'm trying to change my mind, but it's kinda like trying to stick a wet noodle up a wildcat's ass. I'm getting nowhere fast and it's painful. :)

Oh, I just caught your highlighted thing...
I think both my idea and yours are available options. The TE/WR/RB, and the TE/WR/RB/QB. I just double checked, and they both are, yes.
With the way we changed things, QB is going to be less valuable than a 1st string RB, WR, or top 3 TE. WR being shaky unless there are a few monsters this year. But that's debatable.
I think the TE/WR/RB may be something guys would like. I was just shooting for a real "flex play" by including the QB, but that's not at all necessary. Neither are necessary, really, but it might make things easier as players get hurt.

chaase321 08-01-2013 09:38 AM

Re: Fourth Annual Fantasy Football for Stakes and the Troops
 
The waiver wire that we had last year works for me this year...now that i know what it is from the start of the season rather than a few weeks in. I was always used to the 2-day waiting period.

However, I would like us to vote on maybe a waiver "cap" (say 20-25 acquisitions). What do you all think about that?

chaase321 08-01-2013 09:44 AM

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Also, after just now finally looking at the scoring online, I have a couple things that I want to put up for vote...

*NOTE* Scott, maybe we can get all of these things together from this thread in about a week or 2, and send the out to everyone via PM to vote on??

...Can we take away the -1 point for kickers missing a kick over 40+ yards? I hate when a kicker tries a 62 yrd kick right at the half just to see if he can pick up a few points and the miss gets me -1. I think from a kicking standpoint, if you miss inside 40 yrds, then you deserve to have a point deduction, but over 40 is a little worse percentages...I would also be open to 50+ being the only one where you don't get a 1 point deduction. What do you all think?

chaase321 08-01-2013 09:49 AM

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Also (i'm keeping each one of my items separate to help be able to recognize them later), I am all for giving bonuses for people that hit certain milestones in a game.

i.e. QB throwing for 300 yrds in a game gets 2 bonus points...400+ yards get 5 bonus points.

RB running for 100 yrds in a game gets 3 bonus points...150 yrds gets 5 bonus points.
Same thing for WRs

With the QB touchdowns only worth 4 points, the QBs are going to be seriously devalued this year...adding a bonus would help and would reward someone who drafts an excellent QB in the first couple of rounds.

Again...up for discussion and vote.

Mattso3000 08-01-2013 10:00 AM

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I was thinking that as well, Cole. A 50+ field goal shouldn't have a penalty for a miss.

That was a lot of reading for the waiver rules... I like the idea of the auction, we do that in another league I'm in and it works well. If yahoo does not have functionality for it though, Scott is right and it would be way too much work. I'm also not a fan of waivers in general as it gives certain teams an advantage when diligence should be its own reward. We could move back the time on FA availability to tues. afternoon or wed. morning to allow more of a chance for everyone to take a look at the pool instead of just opening it up at 8 AM. Just an idea.

shilala 08-01-2013 10:03 AM

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Cole, I don't think any of those tweaks require a discussion or a vote. They're just minor compared to how drastically we overhauled the scoring, and they are all excellent ideas that I'm sure nobody will be upset about.
I think you can make all those changes yourself, I gave you Co-Commissioner access. I wanted to make us both commissioners but it wouldn't let me. I have no idea if there's any access restrictions for co-commisioners, but this would be a great time for you to check it out.

So far as the waiver cap goes, let's start high, see how it works out, and decrease it after we say how it plays in? I'm thinking 2 a week is more than reasonable, so how about 35?
I know Weeze's league gets 10, but they can get an unlimited amount if they pay for them. That'd be an awesome way to get troop cigars, but we don't have that ability in Yahoo, I don't believe. Meaning I don't think we can add waiver moves to individual teams at will.
But we COULD set waivers at unlimited because it shows how many moves guys make. After ten we could charge 5 or 10 troop smokes for each waiver move. Something like that would need to be put up for a vote, though.
So why don't we start at 30ish, then see what the guys say if we ever get everyone signed up and involved?

shilala 08-01-2013 10:10 AM

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I do think that we may have the functionality to halt FA pickups till Tuesday morning. I'd have to check that, and that's something that I'd accept as a compromise in lieu of the whole crappy waivers setup.
Halt moves till Tuesday and put a cap on the amount of moves and maybe charge for extra waiver moves..
That's a very nice compromise. I can't believe you guys talked me into it. :D
I don't think that needs a vote, either. It's all for the good of the troops, and that's what we're about. We could set the waiver cap at 10 and charge 5 troop sticks each for any waiver moves over that.

shilala 08-01-2013 10:14 AM

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Cole, can you put all those things we want to do in one post?
If you and Matt and I are in agreement on all the points, that'll make it easy for you or me to change all the stuff at Yahoo.
I can easily do it, but I'd like you to at least try, just to see if you have access. If you don't have time for either, I'll get it. I'm just guessing you have time, but if you're banging this out at lunch I'll just do this crap till your life slows down a bit. I've got plenty of time right now.

Mattso3000 08-01-2013 10:19 AM

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Good idea on the cap, Scott.

shilala 08-01-2013 10:20 AM

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Now we just need Cole on board and we're set. :tu

chaase321 08-01-2013 10:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattso3000 (Post 1868380)
I was thinking that as well, Cole. A 50+ field goal shouldn't have a penalty for a miss.

That was a lot of reading for the waiver rules... I like the idea of the auction, we do that in another league I'm in and it works well. If yahoo does not have functionality for it though, Scott is right and it would be way too much work. I'm also not a fan of waivers in general as it gives certain teams an advantage when diligence should be its own reward. We could move back the time on FA availability to tues. afternoon or wed. morning to allow more of a chance for everyone to take a look at the pool instead of just opening it up at 8 AM. Just an idea.

Sorry...that was a lot of talk about waivers!! lol.
I am cool with these three waiver options:

1.) a cap of 30 (as Scott suggested) and anything over results in troop sticks
2.) Not allowing waiver pickups until 2 days after the games are played (so Tuesday morning)...then have it be a free for all like in the past
3.) The auction process of buying guys on waivers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1868382)
Cole, I don't think any of those tweaks require a discussion or a vote. They're just minor compared to how drastically we overhauled the scoring, and they are all excellent ideas that I'm sure nobody will be upset about.
I think you can make all those changes yourself, I gave you Co-Commissioner access. I wanted to make us both commissioners but it wouldn't let me. I have no idea if there's any access restrictions for co-commisioners, but this would be a great time for you to check it out.

So far as the waiver cap goes, let's start high, see how it works out, and decrease it after we say how it plays in? I'm thinking 2 a week is more than reasonable, so how about 35?
I know Weeze's league gets 10, but they can get an unlimited amount if they pay for them. That'd be an awesome way to get troop cigars, but we don't have that ability in Yahoo, I don't believe. Meaning I don't think we can add waiver moves to individual teams at will.
But we COULD set waivers at unlimited because it shows how many moves guys make. After ten we could charge 5 or 10 troop smokes for each waiver move. Something like that would need to be put up for a vote, though.
So why don't we start at 30ish, then see what the guys say if we ever get everyone signed up and involved?

I checked the site, I can make changes, and basically by you giving me co-commish rights, I can change all settings...the only thing I cannot do is "give" commish rights to anyone else, that's only you...but we should be good.

I'll make the scoring changes here soon on the site to do what we think about the bonuses and missed FGs. If anyone has any problems or reservations about those changes, it is a simple fix to change them back :tu

shilala 08-01-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chaase321 (Post 1868395)
Sorry...that was a lot of talk about waivers!! lol.
I am cool with these three waiver options:

1.) a cap of 30 (as Scott suggested) and anything over results in troop sticks
2.) Not allowing waiver pickups until 2 days after the games are played (so Tuesday morning)...then have it be a free for all like in the past
3.) The auction process of buying guys on waivers.



I checked the site, I can make changes, and basically by you giving me co-commish rights, I can change all settings...the only thing I cannot do is "give" commish rights to anyone else, that's only you...but we should be good.

I'll make the scoring changes here soon on the site to do what we think about the bonuses and missed FGs. If anyone has any problems or reservations about those changes, it is a simple fix to change them back :tu

Excellent on the access and making changes. That's awesome.

1.) a cap of 30 (as Scott suggested) and anything over results in troop sticks
2.) Not allowing waiver pickups until 2 days after the games are played (so Tuesday morning)...then have it be a free for all like in the past
3.) The auction process of buying guys on waivers.

On 1, let's consider cutting that cap back.
My thinking is that we raised far fewer troop smokes than we should have last year. About 150 short of the previous year. That sucks ass. If this little dealio can pull in even 50-100 smokes that would be awesome. At 30 moves it may never come into play.
I decreased the team size, so there will be good FA's all the time. That should make for lots of waiver moves and lots of troop cigars.
If we do that, a cap of 15-20 is good.
I do like the auction process. It's just too much work to do and you'd be stuck with it, and you're already gonna be overworked. The "pay for waivers" is easy to follow and guys can self-report, or we just look at the league page.
I'm fine with #2. That's exactly what I was thinking. Open moves Tuesday morning at 8:00 (or 11:00 if we end up with any left coasters playing).
On 3, I covered that.

So we're really, really close. :tu

chaase321 08-01-2013 10:39 AM

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Everything is possible Scott. I can take care of it!!! :D

Here are the changes that were in question:

1. Kickers will no longer incur a -1 point deduction for missed FGs over 50 yards
2. The TE position will now be a QB/RB/WR/TE position
3. QBs that throw for 300-399 yards in a game will earn a 3pt bonus
4. QBs that throw for 400+ yards in a game will earn a 5pt bonus (NOTE, this IS an on top bonus...so if they throw for 400+ yards, they will earn 8 total bonus points)
5. RBs/WRs that run/receive for 100 yards in a game will earn a 3 pt bonus
6. RBs/WRs that run/receive for 150 yards in a game will earn a 5 pt bonus (Same ON TOP bonus as above)
7. The waiver wire:
- Waivers will not be allowed to be chosen until 8:00am CST (9am EST) on the TUESDAY after each weekend. This allows time for all managers to look at their teams.
- You will be limited to 15 waiver pick ups in the season for free...each waiver pick up after you use your 10 will result in you OWING 5 troop sticks PER WAIVER pick up.


If these are not all of the changes we have discussed, please quote this message and then add additional to it, so we can keep track. :tu

Mattso3000 08-01-2013 10:46 AM

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Looks good to me, Cole.

shilala 08-01-2013 11:18 AM

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Absolutely perfect, Cole.
That waiver pickup rule needs to hit the rule book, and we need to make guys aware later.
We don't want everybody to smoke through their waivers and be mad when they're out.
Everything else they can see on Yahoo, we'll just let them know to check all the scoring and positions pre-draft so they draft accordingly.

chaase321 08-01-2013 11:19 AM

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UPDATED

Everything is possible Scott. I can take care of it!!! :D

Here are the changes that were in question:

1. Kickers will no longer incur a -1 point deduction for missed FGs over 50 yards
2. The TE position will now be a QB/RB/WR/TE position
3. There will no longer be a Defensive Position to play
4. You will now start 7 players, and have 5 bench spots and 2 IR spots

5. QBs that throw for 300-399 yards in a game will earn a 3pt bonus
6. QBs that throw for 400+ yards in a game will earn a 5pt bonus (NOTE, this IS an on top bonus...so if they throw for 400+ yards, they will earn 8 total bonus points)
7. RBs/WRs that run/receive for 100 yards in a game will earn a 3 pt bonus
8. RBs/WRs that run/receive for 150 yards in a game will earn a 5 pt bonus (Same ON TOP bonus as above)
9. The waiver wire:
- Waivers will not be allowed to be chosen until 8:00am CST (9am EST) on the TUESDAY after each weekend. This allows time for all managers to look at their teams.
- You will be limited to 15 waiver pick ups in the season for free...each waiver pick up after you use your 10 will result in you OWING 5 troop sticks PER WAIVER pick up.


If these are not all of the changes we have discussed, please quote this message and then add additional to it, so we can keep track. :tu

chaase321 08-01-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1868420)
Absolutely perfect, Cole.
That waiver pickup rule needs to hit the rule book, and we need to make guys aware later.
We don't want everybody to smoke through their waivers and be mad when they're out.
Everything else they can see on Yahoo, we'll just let them know to check all the scoring and positions pre-draft so they draft accordingly.

Just looked at this Scott....

....Actually, I CANNOT edit anything dealing with Waivers or acquisitions. That is only in your hands.

chaase321 08-01-2013 11:24 AM

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Only other thing I want to throw out there is:

Consideration of a 6 team playoff for 3 weeks, rather than a 4 team playoff for 2 weeks.

Up to you guys!

shilala 08-01-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chaase321 (Post 1868427)
Only other thing I want to throw out there is:

Consideration of a 6 team playoff for 3 weeks, rather than a 4 team playoff for 2 weeks.

Up to you guys!

I liked the way you did the consolation bracket last year, and I'm good with a 4 team, 2 week playoff. 4 teams is plenty in a 10 team league. The 6th place guy may not even have a winning record, ya know?

I'll see if I can wrangle that waivers thing.

shilala 08-01-2013 11:55 AM

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Aww, dammit. I can't do the waivers like we want. Any waivers at all causes a continual rolling list.
Guys are just gonna have to adhere to the rule we set about tuesday, and we can reverse any pickups guys make outside of guidelines.
I'll look into this more, but it doesn't look promising.
I can edit a roster, so that's good.

chaase321 08-01-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1868439)
I liked the way you did the consolation bracket last year, and I'm good with a 4 team, 2 week playoff. 4 teams is plenty in a 10 team league. The 6th place guy may not even have a winning record, ya know?

I'll see if I can wrangle that waivers thing.

Ah shiite...I forgot it was only 10 and not 12...4 teams is perfect for me!

chaase321 08-01-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1868441)
Aww, dammit. I can't do the waivers like we want. Any waivers at all causes a continual rolling list.
Guys are just gonna have to adhere to the rule we set about tuesday, and we can reverse any pickups guys make outside of guidelines.
I'll look into this more, but it doesn't look promising.
I can edit a roster, so that's good.

hmmm...that stinks. As long as everyone actually reads the group rules we should be good unless someone makes an honest mistake, in which case you can just go back and reverse it.

shilala 08-01-2013 12:27 PM

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I figure about a 30% success rate with the rules reading thing. About 30% with the Yahoo setup, too. If we're lucky. :lr

chaase321 08-01-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1868453)
I figure about a 30% success rate with the rules reading thing. About 30% with the Yahoo setup, too. If we're lucky. :lr

Well, hopefully we have better than the 60% signup rate we are at now as well!

Otherwise we will have to do some recruiting! :D

shilala 08-03-2013 09:01 AM

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Gentlemen, it looks like everyone is coming back this year.
Jarrod poked his head in and said he's playing, but haven't heard from him since.
Cole got in touch with Jeremy, he says he wants to play again this year.
I got in touch with Stephen. He wants to play, but his workload is nuts. He's figuring out if he can make it work and he'll get back to us sometime next week.

Stephen 08-03-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1867447)
Okay, the first couple big announcements for this season...
The most important is that Cole will be Official Co-Commissioner with me. He's going to take care of tracking all the stuff you dicks never report to him. :D

Secondly, scoring will now be changed to Standard League Scoring.
I've made all the changes already, please look them over. I'd like to make a few bonus categories, but I'll worry about that later.
Here is where I got the Standard League Scoring Info.

Cole and I are working on a League Manual. It will include all our rules and stuff. Not just pertaining to the league, cause we don't really have any rules, but pertaining to the pass.
It'll help us all understand each other, what's expected, and will help from anyone getting upset over others not taking care of stuff in a timely manner.
I've considered creating penalties for not doing things we've promised to do, like sending the pass along in a timely fashion or getting our entry cigars in, or whatever.
I think that idea sucks.
Instead, I think it's best to agree that all participants exchange cell numbers. That way everyone can gang up and torment whoever isn't pulling their weight. Or we can all help him out. I think it's important that we be patient with each other and realize that life life's everyone. So no penalties.

I've also considered changing this to a Rotisserie League. Stephen has been up my ass about that from day one. I don't have a problem with it if you guys want it. I just think the head-to-head format suits what we do with our betting and all, and I don't know how rotisserie works other than what Stephen has explained.
So that's a pending development.


There's plenty of time to get your wishes heard before the season starts, so let's get to it. :tu

Rotisserie baseball, not football my friend.:tu

Stephen 08-03-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chaase321 (Post 1868352)
However, I would like us to vote on maybe a waiver "cap" (say 20-25 acquisitions). What do you all think about that?

Not a fan. Several of us play defense/kicker roulette, and that would completely submarine that strategy.

Stephen 08-03-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1867936)
Here's a discussion point that I don't really wanna discuss, but you guys should get a chance to throw input at it.

Team Size.
I'm thinking this...
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, D.
Or this...
QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K.
Quite frankly, I like 7 guys best. If the TE could be TE/QB/WR/RB that would suit me because there's really only Jimmy Graham and Tony G and a big question mark at Gronk. I guess Pitta got hurt the other day, if he matters. But the TE world is thin, thin, thin.

So 7 guys playing, 5 on the bench (backup QB, 2WR, 2RB I'm thinking) and 2 IR positions is my vote. Lots of Free Agents, no waivers, no waiver order, straight up anarchy.

Last year we fielded 9, had 5 on the bench and 2 IR's.
This year I'd like to field 7, 5 on the bench and 2IR. (Or 3 on the bench and 2 IR. That'd be my dream team but I didn't want you guys to have a stroke over a 10 man team.)
So that'd be 12 guys a team, 120 total, and a really sick field of FA's to work with week to week. I'm also considering how ridiculous the injuries are anymore. The FA field shrinks and shrinks every year because players won't play hurt. That just leaves young, hungry guys to go on and if you keep your ears on you can find some real gems.

Those are my thoughts and what I plan to do unless you guys talk me out of it.
Feel free to b1tch and complain heartily. :tu

I actually liked the starting lineup we could field (QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/TE/FLEX/K/DEF). Gave a team a lot of options for drafting/waiver purposes. I believe we had 9 starters and 5 bench players.


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