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pnoon 06-19-2017 05:19 PM

Re: Sous vide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 2126803)
Got a question: I need to cook 3 steaks medium-rare and one medium. I cook my medium rare steaks at 129 degrees and the medium at 135 degrees -- all for an hour.

I was thinking that I would cook the medium rare steaks first, then take them out of the bath and heat the bath up to 135 and then cook the medium steak. This means that the MR steaks will sit out (in their bags) for a bit over an hour and I don't know if that's OK. And, I'm loath to refrigerate the MR steaks as they may not heat up enough from the quick sear...

Is there a better way to do this?

I would cook them all MR and just sear one another 60-90 seconds each side.
:2

T.G 06-19-2017 08:39 PM

Re: Sous vide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 2126803)
Got a question: I need to cook 3 steaks medium-rare and one medium. I cook my medium rare steaks at 129 degrees and the medium at 135 degrees -- all for an hour.

I was thinking that I would cook the medium rare steaks first, then take them out of the bath and heat the bath up to 135 and then cook the medium steak. This means that the MR steaks will sit out (in their bags) for a bit over an hour and I don't know if that's OK. And, I'm loath to refrigerate the MR steaks as they may not heat up enough from the quick sear...

Is there a better way to do this?

Set the temp for the medium steak. Cook it first.

Add ice to drop the bath temp to what is appropriate for the rare steak.

Toss in the raw steaks that are desired to be served rare.

Mark the bag of the medium steak, toss it in too. It won't cook any more since the temp is lower than it was cooked at, but it will stay warm.

Pull all the steaks out at once, dry, season and sear.

jonumberone 06-20-2017 06:19 AM

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I'd prefer to use the method Peter mentioned.
Using Adam's method won't cook the steak any more, like he said, but the extra time could impact the texture.
Especially if other things start to take longer, or guests arrive latter than planned.

pnoon 06-20-2017 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 2126822)
I'd prefer to use the method Peter mentioned.
Using Adam's method won't cook the steak any more, like he said, but the extra time could impact the texture.
Especially if other things start to take longer, or guests arrive latter than planned.

True.

But I wouldn't think 2 hours would have an impact on texture. He could leave the medium steak out for the first 30 minutes and toss it back in with the medium rare for the last 30 minutes.

The method I mentioned may or may not be the best. But it IS the easiest.

croatan 06-20-2017 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 2126840)
True.

But I wouldn't think 2 hours would have an impact on texture. He could leave the medium steak out for the first 30 minutes and toss it back in with the medium rare for the last 30 minutes.

The method I mentioned may or may not be the best. But it IS the easiest.

Yeah, I've always done as Peter described for cooking my mother's steaks to her preferred level of overcooked (she's always the odd person out at family gatherings), but might try Adam's method in the future.

bonjing 06-20-2017 12:48 PM

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I don't know if I'm going to make any sense but I'll give it a shot.

Has your guests ever had a souse vide steak before? The reason for my thinking is that a sous vide cooked steak at 129deg versus a steak cooked on the grill at 129deg will both have different consistencies/looks when compared to each other. Maybe your 129deg would be just fine.

Or do i just cooked totally f-u'ed up :D

Tio Gato 06-20-2017 02:24 PM

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Greg, there's nothing wrong with traditional grilling. Guests will appreciate both preparations. Sous vide will cook the steak evenly from the outside to the center, all at the same temp. Grilling a steak to 129F in the center will cook it from the outside in. So by the time the center reaches 129F the outer parts will be cooked to a higher temp. Sous vide produces the same temp through out the meat. It will need to be browned fast and furious on the outside for the texture and taste. It's that even cooking that makes the sous vide steak different.

:2 both are yummy. Do whatever you like. Your guest will enjoy. The first few times I made sous vide steak for guests, they went nuts with joy.:dr

bonjing 06-20-2017 05:02 PM

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That's kind of what I am trying to, but unsuccessfully, trying to put down. A lot of people are grossed out by the look of a steak that's done on a grill, oven or stove top to a med-rare temp because it looks more bloody on the inside compared to a steak done to the same temp in a souse vide.

Myself I like med-rare (the 129 deg recommended by the annova cookbook), but even at some steakhouses a med-rare can come out pretty bloody, I don't mind it but most people that are used to that type of preparation are mostly turned off and and go with a more cooked meat. Marie likes a med done steak when we go out, but doesn't mind the med-rare on the souse vide, although sometimes she will ask me to sear the steak a little longer to get rid of the pink, she goes back and forth.

Tio Gato 06-20-2017 05:46 PM

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To please all types I'll do a whole tenderloin to 129F. A good sear at the end will cook the tapered end even more yielding a more med. rare or med. cook.
I slice the whole thing and serve on a platter and let the guests choose the degree of "doneness" they like.:2

Brlesq 06-21-2017 06:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio Gato (Post 2126863)
To please all types I'll do a whole tenderloin to 129F. A good sear at the end will cook the tapered end even more yielding a more med. rare or med. cook.
I slice the whole thing and serve on a platter and let the guests choose the degree of "doneness" they like.:2

Tenderloins @ 129F are so easy and tender. Cut with a fork like butter.

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...psf8bxnulg.jpg

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3mzrpgqj.jpg

pnoon 06-21-2017 08:19 AM

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Looks great, Bruce.
:dr

Flynnster 06-22-2017 04:23 PM

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Pork loin is one of my favorite things to sous vide! So easy to do, stays moist and tender, then toss them on the grill to render any fat on the outside and sear things up. I also feel like the direct heat helps firm up the meat a bit.

pnoon 06-22-2017 09:59 PM

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Bratwurst at 147.5 for two hours and finished in a cast iron skillet.
Sauteed onions. With mustard on a roll.

:dr x 10

Porch Dweller 06-23-2017 06:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 2126986)
Bratwurst at 147.5 for two hours and finished in a cast iron skillet.
Sauteed onions. With mustard on a roll.

:dr x 10

My stomach just went "RRROOOOAAAR". It's 7:40am and I now crave a bratwurst for breakfast. :D

stearns 06-23-2017 07:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 2126986)
Bratwurst at 147.5 for two hours and finished in a cast iron skillet.
Sauteed onions. With mustard on a roll.

:dr x 10

How do they compare texture wise to normal cooking methods? Never thought to SV sausages but the thought does sound good.

Side question: anybody try regular hot dogs? would there be any benefit? maybe I'm just thinking crazy now

T.G 06-23-2017 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stearns (Post 2127005)
How do they compare texture wise to normal cooking methods? Never thought to SV sausages but the thought does sound good.

Side question: anybody try regular hot dogs? would there be any benefit? maybe I'm just thinking crazy now

SV sausages tend to be much juicer. I've never used long cooks though, Peter would have to tell you if the texture changes any with a 10 hour cook.

I don't think a hot dog would change that much since it's already cooked.

stearns 06-23-2017 07:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2127009)
I don't think a hot dog would change that much since it's already cooked.

I figured the same, just some early morning ramblings :sl

T.G 06-23-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stearns (Post 2127010)
I figured the same, just some early morning ramblings :sl

Heh.

BTW, now that I think about it, I recall that I SV'd a few slices of spam once. It did nothing for it. Actually might have made it worse.

stearns 06-23-2017 07:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2127011)
Heh.

BTW, now that I think about it, I recall that I SV'd a few slices of spam once. It did nothing for it. Actually might have made it worse.

People always say spam can be made into something edible, I've never seen it :r

T.G 06-23-2017 08:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stearns (Post 2127013)
People always say spam can be made into something edible, I've never seen it :r

spam musubi :dr

pnoon 06-23-2017 08:19 AM

Re: Sous vide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stearns (Post 2127005)
How do they compare texture wise to normal cooking methods? Never thought to SV sausages but the thought does sound good.

Side question: anybody try regular hot dogs? would there be any benefit? maybe I'm just thinking crazy now

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2127009)
SV sausages tend to be much juicer. I've never used long cooks though, Peter would have to tell you if the texture changes any with a 10 hour cook.

I don't think a hot dog would change that much since it's already cooked.

Links are definitely juicier. Texture is, if anything, improved. Searing on cast iron give the brats that snap when you bite into them. Plus there is no danger of overcooking them compared to finishing on the grill.

Not sure where you got 10 hours, Adam. My smilie times 10, maybe?
Cook time was two hours.

stearns 06-23-2017 08:28 AM

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mmm brat snaps, makes me think of shack :dr

CigarNut 06-23-2017 08:53 AM

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Might have to try some sous vide brats one of these days -- sounds really good!

Tonight is when I cook my 4 steaks to 2 different donesses -- I want to thank you all for your feedback. I'm going to take Peter's suggestion and just sear the medium steak longer. Less room for error :rolleyes:

pnoon 06-23-2017 09:06 AM

Re: Sous vide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 2127019)
Might have to try some sous vide brats one of these days -- sounds really good!

Tonight is when I cook my 4 steaks to 2 different donesses -- I want to thank you all for your feedback. I'm going to take Peter's suggestion and just sear the medium steak longer. Less room for error :rolleyes:

Let us know how it turns out, Michael.

T.G 06-23-2017 10:30 AM

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Peter, I was skimming it quickly and misread the post.

pnoon 06-23-2017 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2127040)
Peter, I was skimming it quickly and misread the post.

:sl

Don't let that happen ever again.

T.G 06-24-2017 08:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 2127044)
:sl

Don't let that happen ever again.

;s















































EAD.

:D

CigarNut 06-24-2017 11:02 AM

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I cooked all the steaks medium rare and then seared the one steak longer, but left it a little pink.

Everyone loved the steaks, and our friends will be getting a sous vide unit soon :)

pnoon 06-24-2017 11:29 AM

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Glad it worked out for you, Michael.

stearns 06-27-2017 07:39 AM

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Put a ~2.5LB boneless lamb leg roast in the bath before heading to work today, going off the recipe on the anova site for 134* 10hrs, I just used some leftover dry rub from a bbq pork cook a few weeks back. My goal is to make bbq lamb, probably not gonna pull the same but trying to get a good bbq flavor, and make some sort of sauce with whatever bag drippings there are. If it works out well I'll do some sort of Mediterranean rub next time like all the recipes call for, but I was feeling bbq and it looked good at the store :dr

Tio Gato 06-27-2017 08:27 AM

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Please post some pics and your opinion. Sounds yummy.

stearns 06-27-2017 08:37 AM

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I'll try to remember to take pictures this time :tu

jonumberone 06-27-2017 11:06 AM

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All belly porchetta.
36 hrs @ 155° finished in the deep fryer.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psqnbrkucn.jpg

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pstokky652.jpg

Served on a ciabatta bread, with an aged sharp provolone, baby arugula, and a roasted red pepper aioli.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszkho89zu.jpg

stearns 06-27-2017 11:11 AM

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holy f*** dom :dr :dr

Chainsaw13 06-27-2017 11:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 2127270)
All belly porchetta.
36 hrs @ 155° finished in the deep fryer.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psqnbrkucn.jpg

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pstokky652.jpg

Served on a ciabatta bread, with an aged sharp provolone, baby arugula, and a roasted red pepper aioli.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pszkho89zu.jpg

You just won the internet for the day. :dr :dr :dr

CigarNut 06-27-2017 03:55 PM

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Looks awesome, Dom!

Tio Gato 06-27-2017 04:06 PM

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OMG Dom! That looks so amazing. Please please share the recipe!:dr:dr:dr

jonumberone 06-28-2017 06:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio Gato (Post 2127282)
OMG Dom! That looks so amazing. Please please share the recipe!:dr:dr:dr

Thanks, guys.

I've been doing porchetta for years on my smoker and grills. This one was the best.
I've never had the belly be so succulent. I literally cut a piece with a spoon
This is the first time I've done an all belly porchetta. Usually I roll up a pork loin in the belly.
This was also the smallest porchetta I've ever done. somewhere in the 4-5lb range.
My other attempts have all been around 15-18lbs.

So, I started looking here for a time and temp.
After I had that, I just went with my normal porchetta routine.

I used a meat tenderizer/marinator tool to pierce the skin

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdwl5gqsa.jpg

Next I flipped it over for scoring and seasoning.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psibnotokl.jpg

My typical seasoning is:
Salt, pepper, rosemary, thyme, and garlic.
I saw in the recipe they used crushed red pepper. I thought that was a good idea and added it to my porchetta for the first time.

Roll it up and tie it.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps3dp9giji.jpg

Salt the outside and vac seal it. 36 hrs @ 155°.

You wind up with a ton of juice in the bag.
When the belly is done, the recipe I linked wants you to plunge it into an ice bath. Not sure why? I didn't bother to do that.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pso8f5vthh.jpg

jonumberone 06-28-2017 06:39 AM

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http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psffyjgjgi.jpg

Dry it off real good and into the 400° fryer. I took it out when I eyeballed the color I wanted.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psffh8xbaw.jpg

Immediately salt the rind, and let it sit 5-10 min.
Also, remove the string as soon as you're done frying.
If you let it cool, the skin will firm up, and as you remove the string, it will take giant chunks of skin with it.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psqnbrkucn.jpg

The sharp provolone was key to the sandwich. It really cut into the richness of the pork.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psystxrbgw.jpg

Chainsaw13 06-28-2017 07:51 AM

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Try making a rosemary chimichurri to go with it. The acidity in it also cuts through the fattiness of the pork nicely.

icehog3 06-28-2017 07:53 AM

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Another work of art, Dom. :tu

Porch Dweller 06-28-2017 11:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stearns (Post 2127272)
holy f*** dom :dr :dr

:tpd:

Tio Gato 06-28-2017 12:41 PM

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Thank you for sharing that Dom. Simply beautiful.:dr

jonumberone 06-28-2017 03:38 PM

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Thanks, guys. :)

stearns 06-28-2017 03:47 PM

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Lamb came out great last night, only took one picture after it came off the sear but I should have taken one of when I sliced it, perfectly cooked end to end. Sarah was watching while I was carving and said "that part is perfect for me, I know it will be a little rarer in the middle so I'll take an end piece." I laughed and explained how it's all cooked the same, she was amazed.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zU...F=w713-h949-no

There was about 3/4C of juice left from the bag, made a bag juice bbq sauce out of it with a few other ingredients, the sauce kept the lamb flavor really well, I was amazed. I took a taste of the juice itself and it was like drinking lamb, can't wait to cook again :dr

stearns 06-28-2017 03:50 PM

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It still had a lot of fat chunks from the cut of meat, but also had a fair amount of thin fat ribbons that didn't need to be carved out but were still chewy, are these the connective tissues everybody talks about saying they break down with time? I only cooked this for 10 hours, but if I went longer and got some of the fatty parts more tender this would have been even better

Porch Dweller 06-28-2017 03:54 PM

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That looks great, Ben!

Tio Gato 06-28-2017 05:41 PM

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Ben, I think those may have been the natural lining of the individual muscles that make up the leg. Kind of like the silver skin that lines a tenderloin from the other adjacent muscles. Connective tissue is the stuff that holds the individual muscle fibers together. I wouldn't bet the farm on my thought, meat cutting class was many years ago with (now) a lot less brain cells left for me to recall. :D:2

stearns 06-29-2017 08:34 AM

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I think you're right, still trying to connect internet words to real life. I want to get to one of those meat classes, my BIL did one where they broke down a full hog and he got to take home half of it, seems like a great hands-on learning experience (and following meals :dr)

Ordered up a cast iron grill pan, mainly because I hate my non-stick one and don't have a grill, but looking forward to using it for SV. Not as much surface area so it won't be used for everything, but there are a few things I've made that I thought would be better with that than a normal cast iron

jonumberone 06-29-2017 08:51 AM

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Looks good, Ben. Surprised you thought it hadn't broken down enough.
I never did a leg of lamb, but would have thought 10 hours would be long enough.


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