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jjirons69 04-29-2011 12:23 PM

Steamed up my afternoon
 
$98 to fill up today - $3.62/gal at Costco. I know a lot of you pay higher than that and have way more room to complain. Just reading this today made my ears hot, especially after getting gas at lunch!

This is 1st quarter profits - first quarter only...The days of low gas prices are gone.

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The six biggest publicly traded oil companies reported a total of more than $38 billion in first-quarter profits.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The first three months of the year were good to the oil industry -- although American drivers and their elected leaders are not offering congratulations.

This week, the world's six largest publicly traded oil companies reported a combined $38.1 billion in first-quarter profits. Of the so-called supermajors, only BP (BP)'s earnings declined from the year before.

The windfall stems from a surge in the price of oil, which jumped 16% in the first quarter, rising firmly above $100 a barrel in March.

But the spike in oil prices has been a blow to consumers, with gas prices rising near record highs across America.

As a result, the oil industry has come under fire from lawmakers in Washington for reaping billions in profits while U.S. drivers get squeezed.

Now, Big Oil is fighting back.

Shortly after posting first-quarter earnings of nearly $11 billion Thursday, Exxon Mobil (XOM, Fortune 500) issued a defensive statement arguing that it's not to blame for $4 gas. The company put part of the blame for soaring oil and gas prices on the U.S. government.

"For every gallon of gasoline and other products we refined and sold in the United States, we earned about 7 cents," said a statement from Exxon vice president Ken Cohen. "Compare that to the 40 to 60 cents per cents per gallon that went to the government (state and federal) in gasoline taxes."

The industry's top lobbyist also went on the offensive, saying the earnings that these companies reported this week reflect a strong economy and are a boon for investors, including many pension funds.

"The U.S. oil and natural gas industry's strong earnings signal growing strength in our economy," said Jack Gerard, chief executive of the American Petroleum Institute. He said Americans "should be proud" of an industry that supports millions of jobs and provides income for retirees who have shares of profitable oil companies in their retirement accounts.

The industry comments came after President Obama renewed his call for Congress to end tax breaks for the industry that he says are worth $4 billion. "As we work together to reduce our deficits, we simply can't afford these wasteful subsidies," the president wrote Tuesday in a letter to congressional leaders.

markem 04-29-2011 12:41 PM

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$4.17 a gallon for me. I don't drive a lot, but still feel the pinch.

pnoon 04-29-2011 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markem (Post 1249525)
$4.17 a gallon for me. I don't drive a lot, but still feel the pinch.

You can call it a "pinch". I think it's more like having your testicles crushed in a vice.
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N2 GOLD 04-29-2011 12:48 PM

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I spent $125 to fill up my truck, $10 on each of my quads & another $21 on each of my 5 gal tanks. WFT!!! :mad:



Thats $187 just to ride this weekend... :mad:

kelmac07 04-29-2011 12:50 PM

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$ 3.84 here in Virginia!! :td :td

357 04-29-2011 12:53 PM

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$4.20 in Metro Detroit/Flint area

BC-Axeman 04-29-2011 12:55 PM

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In Calif.: Profit < $.02 per gal, taxes > $.66 per gal.
Profit margin of Exxon as percent: 7.5%
A 7.5% margin is not all that great in any business.

It would cost me $200 to fill my pickup. I haven't filled it an a long time now.

NCRadioMan 04-29-2011 12:56 PM

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Sorry bro, but I am against profits for productive companies.

This is the key and is what the story should actually be about:
Quote:

"For every gallon of gasoline and other products we refined and sold in the United States, we earned about 7 cents," said a statement from Exxon vice president Ken Cohen. "Compare that to the 40 to 60 cents per cents per gallon that went to the government (state and federal) in gasoline taxes."
Remember, the gubment does nothing to find, drill, refine and distribute.

shilala 04-29-2011 12:58 PM

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$4.05 here, $4.15 the next town over.
I know the high prices suck, but when she hits $4.00/gallon, it makes alternative products competitive. How cool would it be if we got used to $4.00 a gallon and it completely ended our dependance on foreign fuel sources?
The part that's the worst is that in a large %age of families, a $1.00-$2.00 increase in a gallon of gas is a large percentage of their income. It's literally the difference between being able to put socks on the kids or not.
They're saying it's supposed to surge to $5.00 pretty quickly. I know it's been said before, but this is a real early start to traveling season, so the artificial demand will be there to support the price.
I'm starting to smell like politics, so I'll shut up. Before I do, let me ask you to please keep in your thoughts and prayers the families who this will hurt the most, and please try to help any way you can, when you can, if you can. :tu

Bunker 04-29-2011 12:58 PM

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$3.91 here south of Boston

I picked the right two months to have to work from home. I am not looking forward to that 35 mile commute again.

Plus I currently don't have a car either but that is another story.

shilala 04-29-2011 01:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman (Post 1249536)
In Calif.: Profit < $.02 per gal, taxes > $.66 per gal.
Profit margin of Exxon as percent: 7.5%
A 7.5% margin is not all that great in any business.

I'm not all that good at math, but I can't see how 2 cents profit on a $4.00 gallon of gas equals a 7.5% margin of profit?
Can someone figure me out on this one, please? :confused:

BC-Axeman 04-29-2011 01:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shilala (Post 1249551)
I'm not all that good at math, but I can't see how 2 cents profit on a $4.00 gallon of gas equals a 7.5% margin of profit?
Can someone figure me out on this one, please? :confused:

147B in income, 10.7B in profit for Exxon.
$.02 profit at the pump, $.66.5 tax at the pump.
Two different things.

Steve 04-29-2011 01:58 PM

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Yup...and I gotta fill up the 10,000lb beast tonight on the way home...argh!

Steve 04-29-2011 01:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markem (Post 1249525)
$4.17 a gallon for me. I don't drive a lot, but still feel the pinch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1249526)
You can call it a "pinch". I think it's more like having your testicles crushed in a vice.

Agreed!

TBone 04-29-2011 02:05 PM

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Just filled up my bike and it was $3.89 a gallon, I went from a $11 fillup to a $17 one.

Zeuceone 04-29-2011 02:08 PM

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havent seen prices this week but will in a minute.

newcigarz 04-29-2011 02:10 PM

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I need to get some storage on the 'Duc, so I can use it more.

357 04-29-2011 02:12 PM

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$4.20 (includes state sales tax, state gas tax, plus federal gas tax).

Subtract 6% state sales tax, $4.20 = $3.96 or $0.24/gal in sales tax

Michigan has $0.19/gal state gas tax

Federal gas tax is $0.184/gal (unless it is 10% ethanol then you subtract $0.045 for a total of $0.139/gal)

Since I try not to use gasahol in my non-flex fuel car, of that $4.20/gal, roughly $0.614/gal is taxes.

So the government is making almost 62 cents per gallon while Exxon/Mobil makes 7% of 3.34 = $0.2338 or about 24 cents/gal.

Which one is the real problem?

J0eybb 04-29-2011 02:35 PM

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Oil brok 114 abarrel today.

Eleven 04-29-2011 02:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1249649)
So the government is making almost 62 cents per gallon while Exxon/Mobil makes 7% of 3.34 = $0.2338 or about 24 cents/gal.

Which one is the real problem?


This.

Add to this that most of the Dumb Masses in America don't know the difference between a Profit and a Profit Margin, you get the hatred for the Oil Companies.

Thank God there are some of us that do know the difference and vote accordingly.

Now to educate the other 99.99999% of the population :)

Skywalker 04-29-2011 02:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1249526)
You can call it a "pinch". I think it's more like having your testicles crushed in a vice.
Posted via Mobile Device

So that's what that feels like!!!:D

Paid $4.17 per gallon this morning!

N2 GOLD 04-29-2011 04:56 PM

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Regardless of gas/oil prices, I dont see myself giving up my 500HP Ford V-8 for a Hy-anything that could fit in the back of my truck...


Death before dishonor!!! -(P

shark 04-29-2011 05:03 PM

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I drive a Ford Escort ZX2 with 140,000 miles on it, but it has some mechanical issues. Just the same, the last tank averaged about 32 MPG, which isn't bad at all.

One alternative is E85, which around here runs in the mid-$3.00 range (gasoline is over 4 bucks). Problem with alcohol is, you get lower mileage because there's less chemical energy in it than gasoline. So, my question is, does anyone here drive a flex fuel vehicle, and if so, how's the mileage? I'm going to be looking for a new ride soon, so that's a major factor. Thanks! -(P

shark 04-29-2011 05:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by N2 GOLD (Post 1249809)
Regardless of gas/oil prices, I dont see myself giving up my 500HP Ford V-8 for a Hy-anything that could fit in the back of my truck...


Death before dishonor!!! -(P


You got that right! If you can afford it, then drive it! But, and this is a big BUT, have you seen what diesel is running? think about this: trucks, trains, etc. run on diesel, so the shipping co.'s are feeling the pinch, and it's going to be passed onto the consumer. Everything that we use: food, clothing, etc. relies in some part on trucks or other means to get them to us....that's a problem.

N2 GOLD 04-29-2011 05:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shark (Post 1249819)
You got that right! If you can afford it, then drive it! But, and this is a big BUT, have you seen what diesel is running? think about this: trucks, trains, etc. run on diesel, so the shipping co.'s are feeling the pinch, and it's going to be passed onto the consumer. Everything that we use: food, clothing, etc. relies in some part on trucks or other means to get them to us....that's a problem.

I pump first thing in the morning about 6am. The fuel has been sitting still all night. If is was a cold night the fuel will condense & burn LONGER once it's in your tank. More bang for your buck.... :tu Try it...

aich75013 04-29-2011 07:24 PM

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I suppose I'll start riding the rail to work. It adds slightly to my commute time but I suppose it's worth it.
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kaisersozei 04-29-2011 09:25 PM

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I fondly remember being 18 years old and b)tching when gas went above 99c/gallon.

I have to drive. My daughter drives. I have to pay $3.90/gallon x2 cars. What's a guy gonna do?

shark 04-29-2011 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kaisersozei (Post 1250043)
I fondly remember being 18 years old and b)tching when gas went above 99c/gallon.

I have to drive. My daughter drives. I have to pay $3.90/gallon x2 cars. What's a guy gonna do?

No doubt! We must be from the same age group. I clearly recall when gas went up to about $1.25 a gallon I wasn't happy.

gettysburgfreak 04-30-2011 05:54 AM

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paid 4.19 yesterday for premium in western washington, doesnt help we have canadians crowding the pumps and driving prices up a little bit.

357 05-02-2011 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shark (Post 1250126)
No doubt! We must be from the same age group. I clearly recall when gas went up to about $1.25 a gallon I wasn't happy.

I was in college in Missouri in 1998 and I specifically remember gas got as low as $0.74/gal. That was only 13 years ago. Gas had not double in the previous 60 years, and in the past 13 it goes up by a factor of 5? :bs

N2 GOLD 05-02-2011 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shark (Post 1250126)
No doubt! We must be from the same age group. I clearly recall when gas went up to about $1.25 a gallon I wasn't happy.

I would gladly pay double that all day looooong.... -(P

shilala 05-02-2011 11:36 AM

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I paid $3.99 last night. I can remember it being $2.62 on Salt Spring Road this Fall.
If I could just have one day's take of that country-wide difference, I could never spend all that money. What is that, right around 1/2 billion? Just imagine the party we could have, boys!!! :D

jjirons69 05-02-2011 12:20 PM

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Less than $0.90 when I was in high school. We used to lead foot it all the way to the gas station just trying to burn it all out. I think my 69 Camaro might have gotten 12 mpg on a good day.

I need to get a motorcycle.

Gophernut 05-02-2011 12:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjirons69 (Post 1251982)
I need to get a motorcycle.

The thought I had when it cost me $60 to fill up my Saturn on Friday. Of course only a solution for 3 months out of the year around here.

shilala 05-02-2011 12:55 PM

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Jamie, I can remember in '78 it was about $.73. That's the lowest I can remember it being. The only reason I remember is because we cut grass to fill gas jugs to ride out tri-rods and motorcycles and stuff. We knew whose grass we had to cut to fill our jugs.

I have a motorcycle. It ain't the answer, I promise. Lisa just got a new Hyundai Sonata Limited. That thing gets over 30mpg. It was good timing on our part. :tu

BC-Axeman 05-02-2011 01:22 PM

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I can always seem to find places to cut (hmmm...unplug the fish tanks next?) so I can keep up with the price increase of fuel. It's when everything except income (inflation, higher taxes) goes up that I will get crunched. Now that OBL is dead oil prices should drop....right?

xlc12rf 05-02-2011 02:02 PM

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$4.33 down the street. And I have a 75 mile ride to work. In the middle of a house purchase, which will put me more like 30 miles away. Mid-June can't come fast enough.

awsmith4 05-02-2011 02:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1251909)
I was in college in Missouri in 1998 and I specifically remember gas got as low as $0.74/gal. That was only 13 years ago. Gas had not double in the previous 60 years, and in the past 13 it goes up by a factor of 5? :bs

I was 17 in 98 and distinctly remember gas dropping to below $0.70 a gallon. I had a Ford F-150 with (2) 15gallon tanks that I could fill up for $20 or so. We did a lot of riding, I remember being pinched when it hit $2gallon.

I agree that the tax is a major problem but also the source of the oil, we need new places to get the oil and alternative fuel. How cool would it be to have Natural Gas cars that you could fill up off your house! I know I am just wishing but maybe one day...

neoflex 05-02-2011 02:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BC-Axeman (Post 1252022)
I can always seem to find places to cut (hmmm...unplug the fish tanks next?) so I can keep up with the price increase of fuel. It's when everything except income (inflation, higher taxes) goes up that I will get crunched. Now that OBL is dead oil prices should drop....right?

Yeah right, the oil companies will find a way to use it as an excuse to raise prices.:td
Luckily I work from home but am now second guessing doing a lift with bigger tires as planned since it will effect my current gas mileage. Luckily my wife works fairly close to the house too but right now each truck costs about $80 to fill. My wifes truck gets filled about once every two weeks were I usually end up filling up every week, week and a half which is better than when I used to have to commute. Fortunately I live just outside of SC so I can jump the state line and save about 20-30 cents a gallon. Still makes me sick to see the profits. The economy is slowly starting to turn around but these gas prices as of late are going to undo it all in a hurry.

Coach Deg 05-02-2011 02:41 PM

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Was out of town this weekend paid $3.89. Went to the marina today to start up the boat!!!!!!!!! $5.10 at the marina!!!!!!! I need a trailer!!!!!

jjirons69 05-02-2011 03:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awsmith4 (Post 1252108)
How cool would it be to have Natural Gas cars that you could fill up off your house!

Fiber One bars would get me to work and back. ;)

Steve 05-02-2011 03:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Deg (Post 1252135)
Was out of town this weekend paid $3.89. Went to the marina today to start up the boat!!!!!!!!! $5.10 at the marina!!!!!!! I need a trailer!!!!!

THAT is why I can't ever see myself owning a boat that I Ican't trailer!

I got off easy today, I only had to fill up 1/2 tank in the truck, it was only $60. I pais $3.79, the station a block up was raising thier price from 3.79 to 3.93. Argh!

Kinky_yk 05-02-2011 04:46 PM

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$4.00 a gallon, I remember the times....
Where I live in a fairly remote city in Northern Canada we paying $5.26 a gallon, looking back (a few years now) $4 a gallon was like a vacation. Oh and by the way if anybody says that when the prices go up they'll drive less, walk more, buy a more efficient car, etc, etc, they are lying to you and themselves. Our prices are most likely going to increase by about 20% (local politics) in the next year and it hasn't - and won't - change anybodies habits, we're kinda stubborn that way.

E.J. 05-02-2011 08:28 PM

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At least it is getting warm enough that I get to ride my bike to work.... It isn't so much the savings from not driving(though that is a nice side bonus), I enjoy the process and getting my exercise at the same time is nice....

357 05-03-2011 07:29 AM

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Price went down to $4.00, then the next day the same gas station had it at $4.29. OVERNIGHT.

kydsid 05-03-2011 08:42 AM

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A tank of gas equals a box of cigars for me now. :(

macpappy 05-03-2011 08:52 AM

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I'm old. I would "help" out around a local gas station when I was in the 8th grade and their was a price war. We were selling gas for 26¢ a gallon.

I'm not trying to start a political fight but if Washington would stop bending over and kissing the environmentalists butts for votes, then we could start drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico again. Don't tell me about the oil spill. I live just outside of New Orleans and I know what it did. I also know that the last major oil rig problem that affected the gulf was in 1979. That's a pretty good track record for drilling safety if you ask me.

I'll stop now before I start ranting.

awsmith4 05-03-2011 09:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jjirons69 (Post 1252169)
Fiber One bars would get me to work and back. ;)

:r :pn

D. Generate 05-03-2011 10:16 AM

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I spent a week and a half visiting family in Reno and paid $4.00 a gallon. In London it's £1.35 a litre, or almost $8.90 a gallon.

I'm fortunate in that living and working in London, I can ride a bicycle anywhere I need to go. Public transport is an option but it's not always reliable and certainly not pleasant. A one month oyster card is £106.

I love riding, I love bikes. I know it's not feasible for everyone, particularly in the States, but relying on oil for transport isn't either.

Sled Dog 05-03-2011 10:47 AM

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Cost me over $10 to fill up my little plastic jug I use for the lawn mower.... not cool.


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