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forgop 04-14-2011 06:34 PM

Anyone have experience with composite decking?
 
My deck at my new house is on its last leg and in need of some repairs. Rather than even ripping out some warped/rotted 2x4's, I'm thinking about just getting all new composite decking and making a go of it so I don't run into warping/rotting down the road. Menards has a brand called UltraDeck on sale for $0.99/ft. This would be a lighter shade than what would be ideal, but I could more than live with it at it being half the price than the higher priced stuff. Any words of wisdom about choosing to go with composite?

http://www.midwestmanufacturing.com/...posite-Decking

Ogre 04-14-2011 06:37 PM

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Less maintenance, no rot or warp, no splinters. I recommend it!!!!!

hscmit 04-14-2011 07:03 PM

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that is a very good price for composite

jmsremax 04-14-2011 07:20 PM

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My folks have had composite wood desks for 5 years and they love it. Only maintenance they've done since installation is pressure wash them.

forgop 04-14-2011 07:28 PM

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Just for grins, I'm going to get the tape measure out tomorrow hopefully and measure out the pieces I'll need to minimize the amount of scrap since it comes in 8-20' even lengths, and I'm almost certain I can do it without having a seam anywhere on it due to how it's designed.

BeerAdvocate 04-14-2011 08:00 PM

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Good price. Go for it!

jmsremax 04-14-2011 08:10 PM

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$0.99 a board seems really cheap....my folks spent $25 a board from HD. :2

Could it be too good of a price to be true?

EDIT: just looked at the site and this board is hollow....I wonder how much weaker (if at all) it is compared to solid composite boards.

forgop 04-14-2011 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jmsremax (Post 1236536)
$0.99 a board seems really cheap....my folks spent $25 a board from HD. :2

Could it be too good of a price to be true?

EDIT: just looked at the site and this board is hollow....I wonder how much weaker (if at all) it is compared to solid composite boards.

$25/ft? Probably more like $25 for a 12' board. This stuff is normally $1.49/ft, so a 12' board would be $17.88, getting it a lot closer in the ball park. It's easy to hit $2-2.50/ft if you want to go with much richer colors, but I'm guessing I'm going to need about 2000+ feet just for the deck surface alone-that doesn't even touch new posts, rails, caps, etc.

jmsremax 04-14-2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1236549)
$25/ft? Probably more like $25 for a 12' board. This stuff is normally $1.49/ft, so a 12' board would be $17.88, getting it a lot closer in the ball park. It's easy to hit $2-2.50/ft if you want to go with much richer colors, but I'm guessing I'm going to need about 2000+ feet just for the deck surface alone-that doesn't even touch new posts, rails, caps, etc.


$25 a board.....I can't imagine spending $25/ft. For that price I'd want heated boards so I didn't have to shovel the snow. I meant to say $0.99/ft.

forgop 04-14-2011 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jmsremax (Post 1236550)
$25 a board.....I can't imagine spending $25/ft. For that price I'd want heated boards so I didn't have to shovel the snow. I meant to say $0.99/ft.

Yeah, so regular price, this is about 25% less with some darker stuff available on sale at $1.49/ft (normally in that $2/ft range). That has me stretched a little tighter than I'd like to do it cuz the extra $1000 can add up on the posts/rails pretty quickly.

jmsremax 04-14-2011 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1236555)
Yeah, so regular price, this is about 25% less with some darker stuff available on sale at $1.49/ft (normally in that $2/ft range). That has me stretched a little tighter than I'd like to do it cuz the extra $1000 can add up on the posts/rails pretty quickly.


Ah, regular price is $2. I hear that about the posts and rails.....I think they spent more on that than the composite wood, but after painting all the posts and rails a few times they said it was worth it. Good luck with the project....it's a lot upfront, but it's practically maintenance free.

thebayratt 04-14-2011 09:04 PM

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Here is a thing to think upon...

Don't forget to replace the 4x4s that support the deck also.
Alot of people replace the wrotten deck boards, but fail realize the supporting boards can be wrotting/wrotted just as well. They make composite 4x4s too.

But 99cents a foot isn't bad at all.

forgop 04-14-2011 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thebayratt (Post 1236580)
Here is a thing to think upon...

Don't forget to replace the 4x4s that support the deck also.
Alot of people replace the wrotten deck boards, but fail realize the supporting boards can be wrotting/wrotted just as well. They make composite 4x4s too.

But 99cents a foot isn't bad at all.

That was going to be the plan.

forgop 04-16-2011 04:21 PM

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Ok, so I think I've decided against the composite decking options. Seems there are too many complaints about mold/mildew and bad discoloration issues.

I may just go with cedar. I love the look, but now I'm curious what I'll have to do to keep it looking nice over the years.

stinkie 04-17-2011 06:44 AM

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i had a composite decking on the back porch for about 5 years. only problem is it gets slipperyer in the winter with snow ice on it.you just have to power wash every year .no discoloration issues yes its well worth the money. very low maintenance. no staining no replacing warped boards or rotted wood its great.


stinkie-(P

Bunker 04-17-2011 07:47 AM

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I grew up in a family that owned a lumber supply company so take this with a retailer's grain of salt.

Cedar is beautiful, so is Mahogony, but be prepared to pay dearly for it and have to maintain it every year.

Trex (just the brand I have the most experience with) may not be the most attractive option but as stated before you will never have to do anything but power wash it, it will outlast the pressure treated lumber you use to support it and you will never have to dig a piece of it out of your foot. It was originally deisgned for use on piers and ocean bordwalks. A lot of the mildew problems are caused by incorrect installation or areas that don't get any sun (which would make wooden decks have similar problems).

Save the cedar for railings and ballusters if you want that look but I would not put any natural wood down as the actual part I am going to walk on.
I see decking like I see roof shingles. People pay dearly for fancy architectural shingles and the last time they actually notice them is the first day the roof is finished. Decking is something you are going to walk on, it's not crown molding.

Just my :2

forgop 04-17-2011 11:32 AM

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Seems as though Trex and a number of other companies producing composite decking are paying out in class action lawsuits for material that people just cannot get rid of the mold/mildew (whatever it is) due to the wood content in it. I've read a number the DIY's/gardenweb types of forums where people have run into the "big box store" materials in this segment and it's only a matter of time before the material seems to become brittle or have the mold/mildew issue that they can't seem to shake. Perhaps a lot of it has to do with the conditions (shade/sun) and such, but I'm just quite leery of taking a plunge of sinking $3k into something that seems to be a nightmare to a lot of people that have purchased this type of stuff. To get the much higher end that seems to have better reviews, I'm up to $5k+ just for the decking, not even getting to rails/benches and that's going to be too much.

The one thing I've been researching a bit but haven't received pricing on yet is Azek, which is all PVC. Not subject to the discoloration, scratching, and mold you'll get with composites. Yes, it's PVC or whatever and won't look as nice as wood, but still delivers the maintenance free results I'm looking for.

Aero95 04-17-2011 11:50 AM

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Azek is good stuff but its even more pricey then Trex. Timbertech also makes PVC decking so make sure to check them out. I used to sell timbertech when I worked in that industry and I have nothing bad to say about it.

forgop 04-17-2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aero95 (Post 1238219)
Azek is good stuff but its even more pricey then Trex. Timbertech also makes PVC decking so make sure to check them out. I used to sell timbertech when I worked in that industry and I have nothing bad to say about it.

TimberTech seems to get the most favorable reviews of anything I've read about in the composite world, but you're approaching that $3/ft mark at the lower levels quite easily from what I've seen. (I think listed at $2.79/ft on sale).

Now, if I could just buy about 1800 feet of it wholesale, I'd seriously consider it.

shilala 04-17-2011 12:31 PM

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Lisa wanted composite for our deck. It's four times the cost of b grade pressure treated (which I wouldn't use).
Personally, I think it's a senseless waste of money. If a young family has kids, it makes great sense to use it for the deck and pickets to save splinters. Aside from that, so long as a deck gets good traffic and is UV treated/stained when it needs it (not months or years after it needs it like most guys do it), it makes no sense at all.
A properly cared for deck will last forever if a person puts one weekend a year into caring for it. It just gets better looking as it ages, too.
This is said provided the deck is built right. Cups down, drilled/piloted and screwed-not nailed, extra foundation support, and crossbracing wherever you have starts and stops. The more crossbracing a guy can work in, the better.
If at all possible, it's best to never have a seam in the decking, period. If you do, it should be facemitered.
All the little stuff adds up to a super high quality product that can be enjoyed for a lifetime, even if it costs a little more. Add up all the cost for the little extras to do it right, and you'll still not come up with a price that looks like you used.
That all said, I love the way some composite looks for the first few years. I'm not crazy about how it looks when it snags and scratches though.

Take all that for what it's worth, it's just my personal preference and experience.
This is yet another "smoke what you like, like what you smoke" thing. If you really like composite and have seen it in action and it's performing well and it'll bring you joy, by all means, use it.
Just don't buy the "zero maintenance" thing. You still have to take care of staining the stuff under the deck, and you still have to clean the stuff real good with a mild cleaner and scrubber and light pressure washer.
It's not a work saver, regardless what they try to sell ya. :tu

Aero95 04-17-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1238243)
TimberTech seems to get the most favorable reviews of anything I've read about in the composite world, but you're approaching that $3/ft mark at the lower levels quite easily from what I've seen. (I think listed at $2.79/ft on sale).

Now, if I could just buy about 1800 feet of it wholesale, I'd seriously consider it.

Well do you by chance know anybody in the lumber business? In Cincinnati we have wholesale places who sell the lumber and I would have to go pick it up for work! I'm sure you would have some places in Indianapolis like that!

forgop 04-17-2011 01:24 PM

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Thanks for the advice-

The house is just now 20 years old with a really nice deck (38x18) with nice bench seating in 4 different locations and a built-in deck box next to the screen-in porch. I think cedar would look really nice. I just know nothing about it and wonder how hard it'll be to keep it from graying on me.

Here are some pics-2 from today and 1 from the house listing of when it was clear (needs cleaned up a bit from spring cleaning at the moment). Like you said, if I do this, there won't be any seams in it at all this time around.

Aero95 04-17-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1238261)
Thanks for the advice-

The house is just now 20 years old with a really nice deck (38x18) with nice bench seating in 4 different locations and a built-in deck box next to the screen-in porch. I think cedar would look really nice. I just know nothing about it and wonder how hard it'll be to keep it from graying on me.

Here are some pics-2 from today and 1 from the house listing of when it was clear (needs cleaned up a bit from spring cleaning at the moment). Like you said, if I do this, there won't be any seams in it at all this time around.

It will grey as the sealer wears off requiring cleaning and resealing. Make sure you get a sealer with UV inhibitors :tu

forgop 04-17-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aero95 (Post 1238275)
It will grey as the sealer wears off requiring cleaning and resealing. Make sure you get a sealer with UV inhibitors :tu

Is the cleaning equivalent to just pressure washing and putting on a sealer every spring?

Aero95 04-17-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1238289)
Is the cleaning equivalent to just pressure washing and putting on a sealer every spring?

Well yes a pressure washer around 500psi will get all the oils and debris from the wood. If you put a clear sealant over the wood it will turn the wood gray in a year so you would have to spray every year and re-apply the clear sealer. Now normally if you would use a wood stain you would not have to rent a pressure washer every year since that would strip it off. You can also during the summer if the deck looks dirty clean it with simple green since it does not contain any harmful chemicals.

forgop 04-17-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aero95 (Post 1238323)
Well yes a pressure washer around 500psi will get all the oils and debris from the wood. If you put a clear sealant over the wood it will turn the wood gray in a year so you would have to spray every year and re-apply the clear sealer. Now normally if you would use a wood stain you would not have to rent a pressure washer every year since that would strip it off. You can also during the summer if the deck looks dirty clean it with simple green since it does not contain any harmful chemicals.


My deck faces the east, so it doesn't get a tremendous amount of sun, so perhaps I'll get more life than those who face the south.

I'm a little confused about the above, so I just want to clarify-if I would pressure wash and apply a clear UV sealer, I can maintain the same look as new? Just seemed like you said if I apply a clear sealer, it'll turn gray anyway.

Aero95 04-17-2011 04:17 PM

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Duane sorry yes the clear does not contain an UV protection so it would turn grey. A stain is the only way to prevent the gray look. Personally I would do a clear sealer and just pressure wash every year. Are you going to install this deck?

forgop 04-17-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aero95 (Post 1238354)
Duane sorry yes the clear does not contain an UV protection so it would turn grey. A stain is the only way to prevent the gray look. Personally I would do a clear sealer and just pressure wash every year. Are you going to install this deck?

Yes-I'm going tondo the install. I've listed the existing materials up for grabs on craigslist for someone to get it for free as long as they disassemble it and haul it off. I've already gotten 6-7 responses in less than 2 hours.

I'm thinking if the cedar's gonna fade no matter what and it'll come to staining
It to avoid the gray, I might as well get treated and stain it.

Aero95 04-17-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1238372)
Yes-I'm going tondo the install. I've listed the existing materials up for grabs on craigslist for someone to get it for free as long as they disassemble it and haul it off. I've already gotten 6-7 responses in less than 2 hours.

I'm thinking if the cedar's gonna fade no matter what and it'll come to staining
It to avoid the gray, I might as well get treated and stain it.

Heck yeah with the disassemble!! If you have any questions you can always PM me and I will try to help out as much as I can!! Have fun and watch your fingers ;)

forgop 04-17-2011 08:56 PM

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Ok, here's a couple of pics...it's night, but it gives you a good idea. Yes, it's still in need of a good cleaning and when I put the new deck in, the hose is going under the deck and on a hose reel outside of the freaking deck. :D

jojufernando 05-26-2011 07:00 AM

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Composite decking represents a family-friendly, low-maintenance deck that endures all year round. smooth surface that is not prone to splintering, making it safe for children's bare feet.cleaning your composite deck is also easy.price is also good.

marge796 05-26-2011 07:07 AM

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I re-did my front porch and back deck with composite decking in 2007, we love it! Its maintenance free, looks great and will out live us. There is a little bit of sticker shock but after having it for almost four years now it was worth every penny, IMO.

OLS 05-26-2011 07:36 AM

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Man, I am not sure I wouldn't rent a power sander, stand-up kinda unit and sand the crap out of that one,
replace a few boards, stain and seal it and call it a weekend. It does not look like a disaster in any of
the photos.

mosesbotbol 05-26-2011 07:39 AM

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On Cape Cod, buyers look for composite decks. My parents have it and has lasted well. Easier to power wash than wood.

rizzle 05-26-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jojufernando (Post 1275186)
Composite decking represents a family-friendly, low-maintenance deck that endures all year round. smooth surface that is not prone to splintering, making it safe for children's bare feet.cleaning your composite deck is also easy.price is also good.

For realz?

forgop 05-26-2011 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1275227)
Man, I am not sure I wouldn't rent a power sander, stand-up kinda unit and sand the crap out of that one,
replace a few boards, stain and seal it and call it a weekend. It does not look like a disaster in any of
the photos.

I probably could have gotten by with replacing a dozen boards and been through the hassle of sanding, treating, staining, etc, but I didn't want that headache every year. The deck is 20 years old-time to install something that will be virtually hands free.

This is what I ended up going with:
http://www.timbertech.com/products/d...m/default.aspx

I got it for $2/foot (pretty much half the going rate), so to me, it'll be well worth the up-front cost given the maintenance needed on the deck over the next 10 years.


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