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What does everyone think about the inevitable assault rifle ban. After this ban is passed do you think that there will be a slippery slope in regards to banning all firearms?

IMHO the government does not have the right to take away my second amendment right. My forefathers died for private citizens to own guns to defend ourselves from any threat both domestic and foreign. This is America isn't it?

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Not an assault rifle kind guy however I do own many guns and support your right to own what you like. Yes, I think this is just another step closer to taking away or Second Amendment right. Sad, very sad.

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I think it is inevitable :( :fl I stocked up on mags, ammo, and lowers a year ago b/c I could see what was going to happen.

I am going to stop there. I don't want to make this political.

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Nothing politically wrong with discussing a private citizen’s fundamental right.;)

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Same approach I took last time.

Most states do not track individual weapon type purchases so it would be very difficult to say "Ok, give up your assault weapons." I still have several purchased before the last ban and may pick up a couple more just in case.

Like Dan, I will stop here before it gets political.

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Oh, by the way, they aren't "assault rifles" unless they are fully automatic.

They want to ban all rifles. They just use words like "assault rifles" to get all the sheep scared.

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Suppliers are getting cleaned out. Stock is getting low everywhere. I stocked up on ammo and reloading components. I could not find a way to word what I wanted to put next that would pass the censors.

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I just wrote a long post in reply to this thread, but decided I would rather pare it down so as not to start any kind of argument or make this thread political. The only thing I really want to say is that:

At the time the 2nd ammendment was written there was a definite and dire need to own a gun that doesn't exist anymore.

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Yeah, pretty much every site is out of magazines. On ar15.com they tried to organize a group buy on P-mags. Magpul said it would be AT LEAST a 6 month wait :hm

People are also getting gouged right now. Mag prices doubled and tripled a couple weeks ago. The classified ads on ar15.com are insane right now.

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The 2nd amendment guarantees a right... it doesn't address a need. There is a distinct difference.

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You are incorrect. My blood pressure rises when i hear ignorant people speak. "The founders added the 2nd amendment so that when, after a long train of abuses, agovernment evinces a methodical design upon our natural rights, we will have the means to protect and recover our rights. That is why the right to keep and bear arms was included in the Bill of Rights."

Please study American history.

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Well that didn't take long to get a little heated :fl


I think that he is just as entitled to an opinion (without being called ignorant), just as you are entitled to the opinion that we need assault rifles to protect ourselves. :tu

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Feel free to disagree and debate the points. Personal insults are not allowed. Ever see a thread go "poof"?

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Exactly!!

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Keep it civil folks. This thread is lighting up the radar screen.

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Allright, time to lighten this up a little folks.

What is your favorite magazine to use? I like D&H Black Teflon with the Magpul follower.

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The slippery slope we deal with here is much different. :D :ss

From long experience we know that religion and politics are not subjects that engender brotherhood and good cheer on cigar boards. Lot's of places that support those types of discussions. This isn't one of them.

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Insulting other members will not be tolerated.

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And I didn't do it!!! It is a good day! :D

Sensitive topic on both sides of the fence. But a good one if handled correctly by all involved.

(Congrats on over 1,000 thought provoking posts Kelly!)

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Thanks! Trying to catch up to tom :)
Im just a junior douche LOL

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I don't think it's a ban we have to be concerned about as the main issue. Since the last ban sunsetted there has been legislation in the house consistently to create a new ban. Never had enough support to bring to the forefront. Now during the next 4 years, will there be a push and a try for a new ban, probably 100%. Though I have heard the new president elect talk more on a college football playoff then anything on a gun ban since elected. I do not think it will be a Jan 20th 4pm type super ban and get all you can by then.
The problem will be with new taxes on firearms and ammunition. Some are talking a 500% tax on ammunition and another huge tax on new firearms. That would be a killer for everyone who enjoys shooting as a hobby. Hunters/plinkers/black rifle lovers/handgunners. I don't know how many times I would go to the range and every time I pull the trigger I am sending a few dollars at a paper target.

So I am trying to stock up on ammuntion and mags..If the buying frenzy dies down a little bit, then perhaps a new rifle.

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I saw that. I cant imagine paying $1,000 for 500 rounds of XM193 :pu :hn

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There was a time when my gun fed my kids. It doesn't get much more dire than "no food on the table". Unless, of course, junkies are climbing in your kitchen window to rob you. That has also happened to my family.
I don't see the "need" for anyone to have a turret mounted gatling gun on the roof of their Hummer, or a pile of full automatic ar-15's in their basement. I've never had the desire to own or even understood why guys buy so many of the things that have been mentioned in this thread.
Doesn't matter. It's their right. It's my right, too.
I won't likely own any assault rifles in my lifetime. I've played with them lots of times and they're a lot of fun, but I've never had the desire to own one.
Fortunately for me, if I come to need one, I'm sure one of my brothers will hook me up. :tu

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Just a note for those interested. South Carolina is having a '2nd Amendment tax free weekend' in two weeks. All guns and ammo is tax free. Guess that shows where my state stands on this issue. Getting a new AR custom made to celebrate it.

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Sweet!!

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That is cool! I wish Ohio would do that, but I don't forsee that happening anytime soon :(

Think about it.... Lets say you want a 1911 that costs $1000. Ohio sales tax is 6.5% IIRC. 65 dollars would be a very nice savings. :)

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http://www.thepeoplehavespoken.org/s...Dead_Hands.jpg


Nuff said :usa

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May he rest in peace.

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It seems crazy to me to put a 500% tax on ammunition. How will this protect anyone from themselves or others. The type of people that stick up liquor stores, do drive by's, car jack or shoot at other gang members won't be affected by a 500% tax on ammo. Who gets affected? people like me!

I have handguns, shotguns, rifles and an assault rifle. I lock all my guns in a safe with the trigger guards on. I transport them according to the law. I'm a responsible gun owner. I go through a 100-200 rounds about once a month at the range. If the (2) boxes of 100 count range rounds that I shoot goes up 500%, I won't be at the range much.

It's a hobby, what's next my flyrod?:fl After all, the fish do get boo boos on their lips from the hooks.

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What I find amazing is the thought process that stiffer gun laws cuts down on crime and the amount of guns that criminals have. All it does is makes it harder for law abiding citizens to get a gun. When I bought my first hand gun it took 366 days from start to finish. That's right 366 days. I could have went to Newark and had one in less than an hour from a guy on the corner. Amazing.

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Interesting fact:

During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED !

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.
It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U.S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U.S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

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Keck, I just starting shooting a gun after almost 28 years.

Ownership of a gun has nothing to do with the government. Problem is, we have allowed it to be so. Laws pass and we sit and piss and moan.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."


Get involved. Call.. Write. Fight back.

We need a organized gathering for a cup of tea. :D

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I have been doing my part. I write to all my representatives, am a life member of the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, and the Second Amendement Foundation.

I wish more people would join these organizations.

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:tpd:

I own a Remington 870 and it is fun to shoot and I keep it loaded and ready to roll. While I agree with Scott above, I also don't like Big Brother telling me what I can and can't buy. My list of things that I can't do becasue of Big Brother is long enough already and it torks me off when they go into "we know best" mode.

Anyway, I am sure many are much more educated on this issue, but thought I would toss in my two cents anyway.

I like to read a good debate.

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Me, too.
As long as it remains civil.

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No worries Peter I'm on it.

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A thread lighting up the radar screen and i'm not the cause of it? I must be losing my touch :D

Anywho, bans are silly (though I do support the ban on fully automatic weapons).

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I'm for guns, and I've seen this bit on a lot of e-mails and it always gets my goat (mainly because this is the area of history that I study).

The quote from Yamamoto is: "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

He was trying to make a point to Tojo, who was for war with the US, that the only way to win a war with the US would be to dictate terms to Washington after having defeated the US militarily and Japan would never successfully invade the mainland US. While they did invade the Aleutian Islands, Japan would never have been able to invade the mainland. Even if the attack at Pearl Harbor hadn't been a strategic failure the Japanese just didn't have the resources to maintain or defend the supply lines required to invade the mainland US. If they had, Yamamoto's point about American's being armed would have mattered very little to the Army's culture of the superiority of Japanese infantry.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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I am lovin the Chuck Norris Fact Generator!!

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I don't know there are a lot of guns in the US. Come down south and you might agree with Yamamoto.

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Reread your last sentence. You called bans silly and then the very next thing was to agree with a ban. Very kindly, you can't have it both ways. Please choose one. :ss

I agree that bans on inanimate objects are silly. Why? Because in banning some thing or other you are declaring that the thing is the problem. The thing is not the problem. The people abusing that thing is the problem. Fully automatic weapons are not wrong in and of themselves, they can't be, they are objects, just sitting there, doing nothing on their own. It is the people who use them for evil that is the problem.

As long as we insist on labeling things as the problem we aren't going to solve the real issue, bad people.

:cool2:

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Great Point!

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coffeemoney is + 1


Nicely put. :)

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Yep. Nicely said coffeemoney! :dance:

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I am from the south, North Carolina to be exact. Yamamoto's point was about the amount of opposition that they would have faced in an invasion. He was trying to get the Tojo, and the other Imperial Army commanders to see reason when they were planning an attack on the US. The Navy knew that they would lose a protracted war with the US, the main reason being that they were running out of oil and scrap metal (which they had previously gotten from the US). The Army was for a war with the US because they wanted to try to break the US's support of China in the Second Sino-Japanese War (this is why the US had a trade embargo with Japan in the first place). The Army had cultivated a culture of believing that the Japanese infantry was superior to all and would be able to defeat anything because they had superior will and spirit. They would not have cared about the number of guns in the US.

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Another interesting fact.... 2 out of 3 Americans represent more than 66% of the total. :D Times change. What was important in one era becomes irrelevant in another. Americans having or not having guns in todays world has little impact on national security. Having guns and the types of guns do however have an impact on personal security and safety. Being safer by having a gun and less safe through the ability of the few to harm in greater numbers with "military gear" being the opposite ends of the discussion. I believe assault rifles, automatic weapons etc. fall in the category of WMPD and should not be in private hands. Like nuclear weapons, fighter aircraft, tanks, etc. One on one guns are fine. One to many, too quickly do not serve the public interest and I believe were never envisioned by our founding fathers. Unfortunately, they are not here to ask, just their work product based upon their frame of reference a couple hundred years ago. Slavery is an interesting frame of reference when citing the sanctity of the words written by our founding fathers. Last time I checked women and minorities can vote now. Those words were written on parchment, not engraved in stone. The principles they represented were, by design, adaptable to the evolving nature of the nation. Liberty must always be balanced by justice.

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My thoughts on "assault weapons":

1. Just because a firearm looks scary, doesn't make it so. "Assault rifles" aren't automatic weapons--they just look like 'em.

2. A bolt action rifle with a scope in the hands of anyone who's a halfway decent shot is far more deadly than a AR15 with a full magazine.

3. And at close range, give me a pump-action shotgun full of 00 Buck over my MAC-91.

I see as much utility in an "assault weapons" ban as I do in taking my shoes off to get on an airplane. I think prohibitions like that basically come down to making folks feel more safe and secure--even though that feeling is merely illusory. I haven't read about any proposed new legislation or initiatives and hope that they don't appear because, ultimately, I believe that they're pointless.

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The items in the Bill of Rights were written as a protection for the people from the Gov't. The Bill of Rights limits the gov't and what it can do to the individual citizen and that's why each one is so important. If those who support gun control viewed the 2nd amendment as they do the 1st, guns wouldn't be banned, there ownership would be mandatory. Thomas Jefferson is quoted ad infinitum by those on the left side of the political spectrum, yet even Jefferson viewed the gov't as a necessary evil, i.e. something that should be limited in scope and power and subordinate to the rights of the individual.

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VirtualSmitty can have it both ways ;)

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Agreed on all accounts. Very nicely put!